Thread: a note to those of you who drink

i understand your points but you said life is crap or the world is or whatever and you need to get away from it all and stuff....

that is a stupid excuse, yea this world does stink, and life also, but you have to choices in life:

1. you sit by and hate your life/ your world and try and get away and pretend your not apart of it.

2. or, you can live to make it a better world, so there is less misery, more fun, and generations after won't have to live there life the way some have had to.

about that... some people think this world is very nice... of course it's what you make it... but how can you say that it sucks, compared to what world? if anything, this world is great... especially if you live in particular places where you have your freedoms...

>Join the military!?

is that sarcasm? if so, then i would like an explaination... i meant that seriously, and if you don't make your time in the military worth while and you don't build upon something, you cannot blame it... if that wasn't sarcasm, then... thank you...

and we aren't debating whether or not we know that we have the choice, or that we lie in between, that's established... what then, are we debating? where to stand, i presume?

the eye of the beholder is the world's excuse... let's not unseat responsibility... and lets not fight for our own interests so much either... seek to meet good people, and share your love and life and bond with those who will understand you after years and years... fortunately enough i've found one, no matter how far she goes... so... that helps so far as your purpose... if you don't do it for yourself, do it for someone else who you know wouldn't let you down...

why, ok what has the army done. but kill. for corperate interest. i think we owe it to the world to live to make it better. how can you sit there in your cozy home, saying the world does not suck. when over the seas in china, and below the border in mexico, what america really represents (corperate interest) is shown brutaly in the sweat shops. life sucks for the people/familys enslaved by the companys that the army protects. this country no longer represents the citizents but the corperate interests. and i don't know why. America is the largest manufacturer and exporter of weapons. some of these companies have sold to the taliban, and iraq. we as the most richest, and strongest country should use the power to make peace not war. to demilitarize the world. hate doesnt' solve hate.t this world does suck i don't care what you say, as long as there is hate that strong that someone like nike can just go and pay people 50 cents aday, and sell to us. if huge companys can sit back sell guns to both the enemy and the allies and watch the violence. one of the world largest weapons co. is in america, it owns AOL/TIME/Warner, where you get most of your news. propagana to keep you quite.

Stand up and fight to make this world enjoyable for everyone :

a quote from an anti-flag song:
"They were arrested for there views, it was the protesters they screwed but still they had the nerve to ask who i was voting for, when you silence our youth you silence the trueth our right not to remain, silent."

&

"as the richest nation in the world we got a responsability...
veiques porterico , part home to the native familys the rest a navy bombing RANGE, and shells misfired kills civilians there...."

"i understand your points but you said life is crap or the world is or whatever and you need to get away from it all and stuff.... "

I don't think life is crap at all, i think life is wonderfull. I want to experience everything I can.

god there are some goddamn anally retentive do gooding weenies on here.....

"don't drink its evil, don't drink its harmful, people who drink are immature, people who drink crash their cars...(course they do, how can you drive when you're drunk?? get a goddamn taxi !!!) blah blah blah blah......"

good grief!!!

and actually, its a scientific FACT that drinking in moderation is GOOD for you !!!!!!! do ya hear GOOD for you !!!
it tastes great, its nice, it goes down great with a meal, it makes you feel good...
for responsible adults its great.....

and another thing, weed is harmless unless you smoke it, then it gives you cancer......

and stop slagging the military off, they are necessary, there are some NASTY people out there....did u want to be a Nazi, a communist, a muslim .....???????

Responsibility? To whom? I'm not in favour of doing anything what-so-ever that harms anyone else.

---right on

>why, ok what has the army done. but kill. for corperate interest.
American Revolaton
War of 1812
Spanish Amrican War
World War I
World War II
Korea

Do I need to add more?

>i think we owe it to the world to live to make it better.
That is true.
> how can you sit there in your cozy home, saying the world does not suck.<
Cause it dosn't suck

> when over the seas in china, and below the border in mexico, what america really represents (corperate interest) is shown brutaly in the sweat shops. life sucks for the people/familys enslaved by the companys that the army protects. <
The Nike in china was in 1990 over ten years ago. Give me links to slave labor that is currently happening.

Also if you think the workers need better working condtions blame the countries goverment. If there are two commpanies and one treats it's workers fairly, and another treats them like scum the scum treating commpany has larger profits, and might force the other one out of bussness or to change it's working condtions to stay in bussness. Goverment forces companies not to be scum


>this country no longer represents the citizents but the corperate interests. and i don't know why.<
Acctualy that would be special intrest.

>America is the largest manufacturer and exporter of weapons. some of these companies have sold to the taliban, and iraq. we as the most richest, and strongest country should use the power to make peace not war. to demilitarize the world. hate doesnt' solve hate.t<
First we sold weapons to the taliban when they were fighting the Soviet Union, and we sold them to Iraq when they were fighting Iran. Saying that this was wrong idea is the same as saying we should have not sold weapons to Great Briten in world war I and II.

Ok so in your option it is better to be oppressed, for someone else people to commit genocide, to destroy you then to fight for just causes.

Violance != hate. People who hate never look at what is right, only what they belive is right.

> this world does suck i don't care what you say, as long as there is hate that strong that someone like nike can just go and pay people 50 cents aday, and sell to us. if huge companys can sit back sell guns to both the enemy and the allies and watch the violence. one of the world largest weapons co. is in america, it owns AOL/TIME/Warner, where you get most of your news. propagana to keep you quite.<
First off I get my news from MSNBC, except the 6:30 news witch I get from abc.

>did u want to be a Nazi, a communist, a muslim .....???????

ok, yea the nazi's i hate. but i do understand some communist ideas. A MUSLIM???? thats a religion , don't be racist. ok? don't putsomeone down casue there beleifs.

>but kill.

y'know, why for some reason did i not think of that the first thought of the military that came my way? you wouldn't figure the point of a military, and don't generalize it as just the army, would be to protect us from ourselves [globally]... how many of the last times that we've been involved in wars such that we were part of a 'side'? we get involved, with the interest of peace...

let's not turn this into a trial of the military... i was refering to the individual trying to find his way and his life... it's about the person getting his life on, not about killing... do you think that that's all the military does? where would we be without it? such is the same, where would we be without government? but anyhow...

don't get lost, the military does not discriminate...

Originally posted by johnc
>did u want to be a Nazi, a communist, a muslim .....???????

ok, yea the nazi's i hate. but i do understand some communist ideas. A MUSLIM???? thats a religion , don't be racist. ok? don't putsomeone down casue there beleifs.

your a narrow minded anti-alcohol bigot then !!!!! you mental midget !!

without the US army the Nazi's would have taken you over, similarly the communists, and also the USA would be crushed by the Muslim fanatics who hate you so much..

i am not anti-muslim especially, i don't like Christians or any other religous groups either in particular, but each to his own, what i do hate are extreme religous fundamentalists of any and all religions...

i am not racist at all, i have black and packistani and chinese friends, my ex girlfriend was half pakistani/half irish, i have travelled the world for years and met people of all different colours and persausions......you have no idea what you are talking about....so shut it...

and on the anti-military subject, where you are also being an idiot, its best summoned up by Kiplings famous line -


For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;

your probably too thick to know, but a 'Tommy' is a British soldier, and in those days they wore a red tunic......

Rudyard Kipling
Poems

TOMMY

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!

>EVIL

that's a matter of perspective... turn that around and you've got LIVE... so... where then can we globally utlize our skills to help other people?