Thread: worst injury

i think those no holds barred cage fighters/ultimate fighters are definitely the best fighters, after all it was conceived so that martial arts experts of different disciplines can fight each other.

it is noticable that they have all done martial arts, you don't see anyone who just learnt boxing, but generally 2 or 3 or more different martial arts, combining techniques from each, including a lot of grappling.
also noticable that the best are big, strong guys and that they have to grade them by weight like in boxing...

ie technique goes so far, but "a good big one, beats a good little one" as they say in boxing.
but surely Bruce is dead anyway??

but yeah, technique..if youve ever had the experience of sparring with a really good boxer...geez you can't land a glove on them at all..so embarrassing.....

its noticable how much of the ultimate fights end up with grappling on the floor, ie basically ALL of them, and also a lot of bar fights are very messy, wrestly.....
so i think you always ought to learn some floor work/grappling etc.

[btw i said i'd only lost one fight which is true, but i meant an actual FIGHT...i have been punched 3 times in the face and didn't respond, because i wasn't hurt and didn't want a fight but also because i was afraid. in each case it was a drunken idiot for no good reason]

That can be seen in martial arts classes as well. The very eager, very enthusiastic beginner will sometimes catch out the blackbelt because he wants to prove a point. If he wants it more it will happen, and the blackbelt will be going easy and get a kick when he least expects it. Trust me, been there and done it in a class - everyone loves to get one over on the best people in the room.

This is true and it often happens in class, but I think it is those with the most experience that will win the fight. One of my instructors, the greatest sparrer I have fought with is good because he has the experience. He likes to tell the story that when he first started he was just like us. The dedication and practice which led to his experience made him better. When he first started training with instructors he got his butt kicked. It depends on the dedication and time you put into to get the experience to be better.

If you stick the beginner in a real fight against the black belt I would put my money on the black belt because of the experience. I know what you mean though, everyone wants a piece of those who are good.

- Sean

what about a guy who has had a lot of REAL fights, against a black belt who has never had a real fight ??? the first time it happens, its so shocking...its a blur....
also, you will often find that many instructors have never had a real fight, or they had a few at school cos they were bullied, and thats why they took up martial arts. they tend to have never had a real fight after they learnt their skills.
and i wouldn't blame them. i would maintain that you can get out of 95% of fights just by losing face. big deal, i'll just have to lose face, rather than lose part of my face !!

sparring is the best simulation of fighting you have of course.

also the relative size of the guys has a big impact. i think it is a big help to build yourself up.

Hmmm, bit by a fire ant in mexico, didn't do any damage but it stung bad.

>>its noticable how much of the ultimate fights end up with grappling on the floor, ie basically ALL of them

Its the rules of that form. Favors the Kali(?) judo style. They grapple, takedown and then attempt a sleeper by provoking you to protect your head (a few strikes to the head will make you raise your arms in defence, if you do you loose, if not they keep punching you).

Most forms do not train for grappling which is strange because 90% of real fights go to the ground.

But most are now sports, or have toned down for mass appeal, not serious fighting styles. As I said we are the only place where true WW2 Savate exists. The French have turned it into a sport and broken it up into sections (grappling, kickboxing, knife fighting and fencing), now they are paying us to teach them what they have lost.

>>also the relative size of the guys has a big impact.
I disagree, willingness to _take_ a hit is the biggest factor (once you get contol of your fear).
Speed (reflex) is next, then reach. (IMHO)

>>>>>also the relative size of the guys has a big impact.
I disagree, willingness to _take_ a hit is the biggest factor (once you get contol of your fear).
Speed (reflex) is next, then reach. (IMHO)

well i'd say if skills are equal then the bigger guy has the advantage. by bigger i mean stronger.
i don't think reach is so important, unless tyou're standing off trading blows, boxing etc.
i myself would have to say i'm a bit of a coward, but i guess most of us are, thats why fights happen so much when guys are drunk.
dutch courage.
i have no particular fear when sparring, but am so frightened in a real fight that i feel sick/shaky.
but this fear gives the adrenaline giving extra speed, strength and almost total inability to feel pain. i never felt a thing when i broke my hand, and never felt a thing when being hit. this is common, you often read about people being stabbed repeatedly and never felt it. its also very odd how everthing is slowing down, as your mind is going faster.
they say that controlling the fear is the key. i saw a prog. about a self-defense expert, part of his course was getting big guys to come at you unexpectedly. shouting and swearing, pushing you etc to frighten you.

>>But i can say for certain that i am far more equipped to defend myself than before i started. Saying "martial arts is c***" or suchlike is a sweeping generalization.

you certainly are, and it certainly is.

>>rules to survive in a ruck:
1. pacify the situation (run away if necessary)
2. If option 1 fails, kick them as hard as you can in the testicles and then run away!!

do they teach this in juijitsu ????

Originally posted by Unregistered
This has become a thread about who can contribute details of their martial arts practices or who can make up the biggest lies. This is a futile argument, its like saying "which is best C or C++?", I'm sure you all know what I mean.

yeah true.

i myself would never lie, it is a true fact that i am a black belt 5th dan in 6 different martial arts, and i am a seasoned streetfighter with over 120 fights and no losses. sometimes i will tie one hand behind my back to give the other guys a chance.

i even kicked Mike Tyson's ass once, big puff.

i unfortunately have to add that i have one more injury i forgot to mention. my ingrowing toenail !!

>>>>rules to survive in a ruck:
1. pacify the situation (run away if necessary)
2. If option 1 fails, kick them as hard as you can in the testicles and then run away!!

We teach anti rape classes. These are the first two rules (run away towards people, not attempting to pacify in any other way).
2 also includes any other form of distraction to aid your escape.

Next is to urinate or defecate.

Judo is a form I respect greatly. Using your opponents weight and momentum against them. Again it is a sport not a combative discipline.