Thread: To all Americans

""the ira is a terrorist organization, but it's not so clear cut. the ira is an independance organization, like the palistinian authority. the only clear win, regardless of money spent, is to stop fighting, period.""

it is clear cut !!!!!! don't start talking like that.
independance for who ??? for northern ireland ???
2/3 of them are protestants who want to stay British !!
1/3 are catholic who want to return to IReland.
so what does the British Govenment do ???
leave northern irleand and have the Loyalists bombing London ??
or stay and have Republicans bomb London??
or try to find a middle ground, and negotiate with murderers - which is what we are doing now.

it is complicated, but can be summed up as above.

catholics in northern ireland have never been treated 1% as bad as palestinians thats for sure !!!!!!

northern ireland will probably eventually join ireland, then the Loyalist terror will begin. there must be a better way.

we must treat all terrorists as terrorists, and all western democracies must be seen to do this, to support each other.
then we can reduce terror to a minimum, it wont ever be stopped.

"I believe this is an example the ignorant attitude that makes people like stevey post in the first place."

thanks, thats it exactly

re situation in northern ireland, i know its a mess, the British shouldn't have even gone there, but that was a long time ago.
longer than the existance of America as a country!!!

we need to work out the situation as present.

PS

ARAN

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY EXACTLY ???????

...And that 'unregistered' was me...

>SHADENFRUEDE

Not bad for a non-german "Schadenfreude" ( we put a c in our shs though it sounds the same ) is the word you were looking for. It means you enjoy the misery of someone else. You are happy this person got hit, probably because you think he deserved it.

"the ira is an independance organization, like the palistinian authority."

The IRA was resorting to acts of terror against civilians. Therefore it clearly is a terror organization. It doesn't matter what they fight for. In bombing cities and killing innocents as a means of urban warfare they have lost the right to claim any moral point.

Do you think I'm less of a murderer and terrorist if I kill innocents for world peace ? No. It doesn't matter what the ends are if the means are wrong from the beginning. Think of it as a && operation: TypeOfWarfare && MoralReasoning

If TypeOfWarfare is wrong, the result is wrong.
If MoralReasoning is wrong, the result is wrong.

"As for him marching in the streets - it's freedom of speech."

I don't know all the facts. If he is a member of Sinn Fein and nothing more, then indeed, it's free speech. If he is a convicted member of a terrorist organization ( IRA ) it is no longer free speech, it's failing to prevent a crime. Lets hope Mexico keeps it's bombers at bay and doesn't drag him to Cuba

All I'm trying to say here without knowing all the facts is that being the Legislative, Judicary and Executive power at the same time can be a bit... difficult. The US would probably behave completely different if they had to answer somebody for what they do.

>what are you going to do to stop us?

While I think you do the right thing in fighting terror like you do, this is exactly the egoistic attitude that makes me wonder if the war against terror is nothing more than the frenzy of a wounded animal, hitting anything in it's wake, no matter if it's friend, foe or just a harmless tree. You need friends. Friends cannot be won by bullying or buying. Friends can only be won by respect. And this attitude is not gaining the US any respect.

>stevey, i'm saying that if the US is doing it, there's nothing that's going to stop it. Put up with it. (i know i sound like an *******, but that's the truth)

because the US is doing something, put up with it ???????
JESUS WEPT
there was talk years ago among extreme loyalists in ireland, whether or not to plant a bomb in New York to get them back for sending money to the IRA. it was thought to be counterproductive and wasnt caried out. if you or your own were killed or maimed in that little madness would you say put up with it ?????

you are an ******* for sure !!

thanx NVOIGT for German correction. "ich bin ein doughnut" as president Kennedy once said.
and
1. Gerry Adams is the leader of the political party called Sinn Fein.
2. Gerry Adams was elected as a member of the British Parliament in exactly the same way as any other member of the British Parliament.
3.Many mp's (members of parliament) receive donations to their individual and party funding from political,religious and mostly mercantile interest from THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
The hon Gerry along with his murderous mate martin mcguiness, has NEVER been convicted of ANY wrongdoing in ANY court of law. Neither has Bin Laden, but they are both terrorists, you know that to be true so why avoid it????
Sinn Fein (I have a friend who was a member by the way !!!) is or was (its getting complicated now with the peace process/ Real IRA etc) the political wing of the IRA. the organisation used to be referred to as "sinn fein/IRA" ie it was the same thing basically!!!!
he is a terrorist, a murdering bastard.
less than 30% of catholics in NI (who are about 1/3 of the total population) voted for sinn fein. and none of the protestants. so the IRA have never had a mandate from the people of NI, they have won what they've won by terror and murder.
my friend left sinn fein due to money being channelled to the IRA, he supports the idea of a united ireland "but its not woth killing babies for" - and i quote him !!!!

4. There is a peace process that is ongoing in Northern Ireland that has been endorsed by ALL sides and ALL interested parties in the dispute.
yes true, the british have caved in to terror, thereby encouraging all terrorist organisations throughout the world.
it is the price of peace to let convicted murderers of innocent women and children go free. a price worth paying ???
yes, probably. so terror does pay then eh !!!

5. Former US President Bill Clinton, who played a role in the early stages of that peace process, promised to ban funding for all paramilitary organisations. Although I am uncertain whether the US legislature has fully implemented this in law, given the current 'terrorist-phobia' promulgated by Bobo Bush it seems extremely unlikely that such 'donations' will be permitted now or in future.
why wasn't fundraising for the IRA banned right from the start !!!! that is my point. the large irish-american vote made it difficult for the US (and i have to say that the average irish-american has a romantic view of a united ireland/british oppression etc, they haven't a clue) but i feel agrieved that more wasn't done.
the situation now, with the peace process, is complicated and different, fair point.

I feel that Americans now realise what terrorism is.

now they have sufferered, maybe they understand a little better.
or maybe not, since the st paddy's parade in New York was led by a convicted IRA member !!!!!!!!

ps do you want an independant Scotland ???
how many Scottish do ???
i understand its around 20/25 % ??? is that true ???
so there is mebe more support for that than from Northern Ireland for a united ireland ???
would you kill innocent people for the cause ???
would you vote for the Scottish Nationalist party if they supported terrorism ??? is it worth it ??

ive just this minute realised, aran elus is an anagram for
REAL ANUS ie real *******.
was this intentional , or just a happy co-incidence ????

will never join the Republic ????? why not ?????
will you please tell the Real IRA to stop bombing the crap out of London then please if that is the case !!!!!