He is a Muslim and he is nothing like Hitler and he cares for Muslims that why he is doing what he is doing. Actually, if all you know about him (and about Taliban) is from the media then you will think he is the worst person ever, but you should know the truth from the people that have been there. I never watch the news because I realized it is usually not the truth or at least not the whole truth I mean I used to hear that Taliban spread drugs and grow them and always hurting women and stuff and I did not know what is the truth (of course I usually never believe anything that is on the CNN because they make it sound the way they wanted to be) anyways, a couple of weeks ago I read an article written by an Egyptian man (sorry I forgot his name and I would post a link but it is in Arabic) he said that he used to believe what the media made up about Taliban but then when he went to Afghanistan (he went with some organization or something that they had some work there) he said that he found out the truth about Taliban that they are not bad (like the media says) but they are actually good. He said that they were trying to make Afghanistan a better place and to fix everything that was ruined by the wars and they stopped all the people that been making drugs and they burnt all the drug plants that been there before the Taliban and they are not hurting the women by anyway actually there was schools for women and he saw women in the streets so they weren’t treating them like what the media said, and he saw all that by himself he did not go and asked the Taliban what are they doing, he saw the truth that the media does not want anyone to see.Originally posted by Theologian
And as for them not attacking the WTC because muslims were there. Don't you see- he is not a true Muslim and he does not care if he kills other muslims. He is a fascist, totalitarian leader like Hitler. He follows no law but his own.
Sorry I know I’m not good at translating so it is missed up.
It got more basis than the basis you got against Taliban and Bin Laden. Actually if a Muslim person did that and they don’t want anyone to know it then why wouldn’t they leave some stuff written in israelis language and wear the small hat (or whatever you call it) that the jewish wear when they are on the planes??Originally posted by Theologian
To try and blame these acts on Israel is immoral, irrational and without basis. (This was the thrust of the post that I responded to)
I don't know if it really was in 1991, but I think it is fake because of the time. It shows that it was during the day in Palestine and it was about 11am in N.Y. and there is like 8 hours between N.Y. and Palestine. So it would be about 7pm in Palestine, which means it should be dark. So how did that happen??Originally posted by Theologian
And one last quick note-- the original post called into question the validity of the images of Palestinians celebrating the attack. I believe that CNN has made it very clear that this was real footage filmed following the attack. It was not old or fake. Check out CNN.com if you have any doubts.
Well even if it was truth why did the CNN keep it and they did not keep the pictures of the five jewish (israeli jewish) that were celebrating in N.Y. few blocks away from the WTC?? They had this on the CNN for a couple of hours and then they removed this from their site.
Originally posted by rick barclay
>About 700 muslim people died in the WTC. <
There aren't even half this number confirmed as dead yet.
Your credibility is very questionable.================================================== =====================
1. ARABS, MUSLIMS, ALSO BURIED UNDER NEW YORK RUBBLE
[Middle East News Online - Sept. 14, 2001]
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NEW YORK -- Nissam Hafiz is an Arab-American. Like thousands of American
victims, he is buried under the rubble of the towers of the World Trade Center. Hafiz's sister stands somewhere close to the rescue operation in New York holding tight to her brother's picture, asking people: "have you seen this man?"
Waleed Iskandar and Gerges Hashem, both Arab-Americans from Lebanon, have also been confirmed dead; they were passengers on American Airlines
Flight 11 that crashed into Tower One of the World Trade Center.
Hashem, a 37-year-old resident of Boston, was a product manager at the Teradyne Company. He left Lebanon some three decades ago, but visited the country regularly. He was married to Rita Hashem, and the couple have two children.
Iskandar, 34, and his South African fiancée, had arranged to travel to the Los Angeles area to meet Iskandar's parents. Iskandar, who resided in London where he worked for the Monitor consulting firm, had been in the Boston area for three days visiting his brother.
But the Hafiz, Iskandar and Hashem family's other tragedy, besides the grievous loss of their sons, is the fact that they -- like millions of Muslims and Arabs in the U.S. -- are being made scapegoats of Americans who want to vent their anger.
"I just don't understand this," an Arab-American university student told Middle East News Online. "We are part of this tragedy, we are buried under the rubble, we are sharing our blood with the survivors, we are helping in the rescue efforts, we are praying for the victims' families, we're raising American flags over our houses, and shedding tears while watching the horrific scenes on television... But here we are, standing alone, facing the hate of millions who, rather than searching for the real criminals, chase after innocent Americans for simply being of a different background or a different faith."
The Washington Post reported that at least 100 Muslim organizations (to date) in the United States have reported hate crimes and harassment. In the Washington D.C. area, two mosques and a bookstore were vandalized. In New York, a man pointed a gun at an Arab gas station attendant, threatening to shoot him. In Texas, assailants attacked a mosque with random gunfire.
Considering the large number of Muslims and Arabs living and working in the New York area, it is expected that a significant number of them have lost their lives or are still buried under the rubble.
Muslim groups are expressing their disappointment that the major media and many segments of U.S. society have tried -- through their words and public behaviour -- to segregate and strip them of their proud identity as Americans, simply for being of Arab origin or professing the Islamic faith.
Meanwhile, Nissam Hafiz's family and dozens of other Muslim and Arab
families continue to wait -- along with grieving relatives and friends of victims who came here from more than three dozen different nations. they all wait to hear of the fate of their loved ones.
How can they be victims of terrorism themselves and yet be accused, whether openly or subtly, of also being co-perpetrators. No one seems to have an answer. Because we should not have to ask such a cruel question.
The Canadian Islamic Congress
http://www.cicnow.comOsama Bin Laden hates America because it is helping israelis against Muslims in Palestine and because he wants them out of the Muslims countries.Originally posted by Koshare
Osama bin laden doesnt hate america because we are in isreal, he hates isreal because it allows america.
And do you expect him (or any Muslim) to like America when it is helping our enemies to fight us??
I know that the U.S. helps some of the 3rd world countries but they do not do it for nothing. In Africa, they just help the people that are Christians, they won’t help Muslims even thought in the media they will say that they are helping the whole country but they help them if they would convert to be Christians. Lots of Muslims die there and the aid workers do not help them at all because they are Muslims. Do you think that would make any Muslim like the U.S.?? And do you think people in Afghanistan will like the U.S. because they are sending them food and bombing them at the same time?? And now the U.S. is sending food to Sudan, Do you know why they just started doing this? Because they just discovered oil there.Originally posted by Koshare
America sends food to afghanistan and other 3rd world countrys, we send medical supplies to some of the 3rd world countries.
Sorry, they do. They kill them all the time. Even if you think that all the Palestinian that were killed by israelis were fighting them (with stones) and that is why they deserve to die then tell me why would they kill little kids?? I think that all the world seen how they killed Muhammad Al-Durra a 12 years old kid that was trying (with his dad) to protect them selves from the israelis that were shooting them and in the end killed the little boy and his father was badly injured. The photographer that saw this said there was about 40 bullets that got in the wall near Muhammad and his father that did not have any kind of weapon with them they were just crossing the street and there was no curfew or anything and it was during the day. And even if you think they somehow did something bad tell me why did they killed Eiman?? She is about 6 months old and they shot her and her pictures were everywhere, and I do not think that 6 months old can do anything. I can send you the pictures if you want if you do not believe me. And the Palestinian lived in Palestine before the israeli even if you will check the history you will know that the Arabs lived there before the first jewish person.Originally posted by Koshare
To a muslim, I have studied the middle east in a non- biased way, I have been to Isreal, Isreal does not kill palestenians.
Yes I live in Saudi Arabia, and I meant I can be seen in public wearing Hijab (I do not know what you call it in English but it means what we cover our selves with) and you think it is bad for us but it is not. It is good for us and it may take long to explain to you why but I will if anyone want to know. And women are not treated anyway badly actually women are treated the best in Islam.Originally posted by Koshare
ok, you live in saudi arabia, right? that is the center of confilict, if Osama had his way you would be walking around completely clothed and treated sub human.
I thought that it says in the bible that if someone hits you to turn the other cheek or something like that. Anyways, In Islam if someone hits you, you can hit him back but it is better if you don’t. And if your going to hit back then hit THEM back the people that did it and do not hit the wrong people.Originally posted by rick barclay
Sombody hits me in the face...I'm gonna him 'em back.
rick Barclay
Is money how you see people?? Then almost all of the teachers have a really low value to you because they know a lot, they will teach a lot but they will not make a lot of money?? You mean you value people according to their bank accounts?? Well…how much do you think you will make in your life??? I guess you think Bill Gates is the best person alive because he got more money?? Weird...Originally posted by Koshare
The value of an american kid is much greater then that of an iraqian kid. an iraqian kid will produce 30,000 dollars in goods in his lifetime, an american kid will produce 6 million.
If you do not care about the Iraqi kids then why do you expect the whole world to care about what happened to the U.S.?? And even if you do not care at least do not cause more pain to the innocent kids.Originally posted by Koshare
explain to me how it is wrong that I dont care about people I will never see, that I never hurt?
If you mean Osama Bin Laden or Taliban then you are wrong because they just want the U.S. to stop killing or helping the people that are killing Muslims and they want the U.S. military out of the Islamic countries.Originally posted by Betazep
They want our land, our possesions, our women perhaps, etc. They want us dead. They don't care about us.
Remember how many kids and wives been killed in Iraq and in the whole world by the U.S.Originally posted by rick barclay
Your opinions are music to Osama Bin Laden's ears. What will it take for you to change your mind? Their use of a biological weapon? A nuke? Sorry, but I've got four children and a wife to think about besides my own worthless skin. Better too early than too late. It amazes me how many people pooh, pooh the Bin Laden-quasi muslim threat.
You are talking as if the U.S. is giving Saudis money for free and as if the oil worth nothing! And all these factories are for nothing! Well if oil really does not have a great value then do not buy it, you buy it because you need it not because you are helping anyone.Originally posted by Koshare
saudi arabias per capita income is the 2nd greatest next to Isreal in the middle east. this is the dumbest statement I have ever heard. They have little farm land, little natural resourceses except oil, and very few literate people. They cant make finished goods because they dont have enough technology to do so. Respectfully, you sir are an ignorant person. We have more than 2 third world countrys in the middle east well fed and happy.
And you really need to visit Saudi Arabia. You probably think that people here lives in tents and ride camels, right? Sorry but you need to update your information about Saudi Arabia.
You mean that is why a little kid was shot in the head in front of a UN car in Kosovo??Originally posted by gamegod3001
We risked american lives in Koosivo, even transpoted some of the refuges to America.
You mean there was rules before??? When clinton bombed a factory in Sudan it was not against the rules??Originally posted by rick barclay
Osama Bin Laden and his
allies have effectively told the world, "There are no more rules."
If peace means giving you our land money and letting you kill us and help others kill us and be happy with it then I do not think anyone wants that, actually I do not know how would you call that peace??Originally posted by rick barclay
Afganistan for sure. After that, it depends on the Iranians and Iraqis. Pakistan is shaky and might be the next target for the Islamic militants. I'm fairly convinced now that all this posturing by muslims about how peace loving they are is just that. It's a big lie. The mass demonstrations in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other Islamic states against the United States proves to me that most muslims do not want peace with us.
So that is why they kill Palestinian kids all the time, and that is why they kill the Palestinians that only got stones, and that is why they did not let the kids go to school (first day at school this semester) they all were suicide bombers, right??Originally posted by Betazep
Isreal fires missles at organizations that send suicide bombers to blow up their busses (to name one instance). You want an article or five, idiot.
I will tell you what would happen if that happened here (in Saudi Arabia) he would not be punished (since it is only a loaf of bread and he wanted to save himself of dying) but he would be encouraged to find a job rather than stealing.Originally posted by Betazep
Tell me... oh master of the known... what happens to an Islamic middle eastern man that steals a loaf of bread due to hunger.
Correction: Palestinian kids see israeli soldiers everywhere shooting/hitting/killing/torturing their parents/neighbors/friends and all their loved ones all the time, do you think that would make them love israelis?? And do not forget they came to their land and they want to kick them out of it or just kill them all.Originally posted by Betazep
Palestinian children are sent into the streets to throw rocks, firebombs, and even grenades at Israeli soldiers. They are taught in their schools and mosques to hate Israelis and Jews. They are urged by television ads to 'cast down their toys and take up arms'. They are trained in special summer camps to be "holy warriors" in the 'Jihad' against Israel and the Jews. It is no surprise then that the are among the casualties in the wake of violent clashes between Palestinian mobs and Israeli soldiers.
