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just don't know what to say with the recent death of a 42 year old woman in an USA hospital. I'm completely shocked at the cruel coldness of the images and what they revealed.

This is not, I can guarantee you, new. A little all over the world we hear these stories here and there. Just this year, a 82 year old woman died in a Portuguese hospital after begging for help (yes help! in an hospital) for 4 hours. She was waiting her turn... and died on the bench, just like today.

I confess I shed a tear then, as I did today, when I saw of this poor woman fall to the floor and die there, alone, in an hospital of all places, as people passed by and others distanced themselves. As security personel and even a doctor looked at her agonizing body as if it was a paper someone thrown at the floor, and kept on moving their way, completely oblivious to the fact a human being (f...!) was dying on the floor.

That woman had the most cruel death I have ever witnessed in my entire life. I swear she had. I was in Angola in '92 and saw some pretty ugly sights... very ugly... but at least in a war there's passion. She didn't even had that. She had the worst treatment one can give an human being. She was poor, disposable, ugly and she was sick. She was useless and a nuisance. She was black trash not worth society's effort, despite the fact she most probably worked more in a single day than a singer of football player works in an year.

What the hell is happening to us!?
What is this hellish thing we call society? When will it stop?... and I will say it right here... when will we BEAR ARMS!?

some days... some days I just hate everyone.

Could you please link to an article of some kind so we could see the source of what you're talking about?

I saw it on national tv over here. Hence no linking. Thanks for that Daved.

As for you Abachler, I'm not impressed, as usual.

Apparently this hospital has had a bad history of mistreatment of psych patients. I would not take this one isolated incident and generalize it to the state of the entire U.S. health care system. This is a terrible tragedy but action is being taken to ensure this never happens again. Overall health care in the U.S.A, while not cheap, is very very good. There are mishaps, negligence, and accidents but no system is perfect.

I went to the emergency room on a weekend for a toothache and only waited for about 20 minutes before being treated and released. They gave me a shot for the pain and it held me until I could get to the dentist on Monday.

While on a trip I had a rock fly into my eye while on the highway. Don't ask me how this happened but the rock flew off someone's tire and sailed through my half-open driver side window and hit me right in the eye. I went to the ER and was out within the hour with a shot, prescription, and referral should things not improve. It was VERY expensive but my company paid for most of it even though it was out of my network.

I took my wife in when she was entering labor and she was wheeled into a room, placed in bed and hooked up so we could hear the baby's heartbeat all within 10 minutes of arriving at the hospital. This happened at around 1pm which is certainly not the best time in the world. No complaints here.

A co-worker went in for open-heart surgery and didn't even have to be moved to a more advanced hospital. Our local hospital did the surgery right there (most now have heart clinics) with a new special procedure that allows for quicker recovery and is less traumatic on the patient. The surgery was 9 hours and he was on his feet within a week.

Let's not take one incident and use it as a measuring stick for the whole. And...remember...the U.S media loves this stuff. The more negative the better b/c the better it sells. They usually get the story wrong and/or exaggerate it beyond belief. This story is indeed sad and I'm not excusing the hospital's actions. But I am throwing in a reality check that this is not the norm.

Hey, doctors and nurses in the US are forbidden to help a baby that survives a late term abortion, and some politicians support that because they need the money and support from the abortion lobby.

I absolutely detest late term abortions. However it should also be cited that this is the law and by helping the baby survive is against the wishes of the patient and against the law. If you feel this is hideous as I do then perhaps we need to elect better politicians. This does not reflect on the state of U.S. health care and is more about a pro-choice/pro-abortion battle that has been waged for years. The health agencies MUST follow the letter of the law and if this is law then they follow it. Let's hope we get our head's our of our butt's and start electing people who are fit for the task so we can stop this nonsense. So don't blame your health care system...blame Capitol Hill. Besides it was my last understanding that late term abortions were illegal.

It's obvious (to me anyway) why the doctors didn't help. It's a phsyc ward, they probably get people groaning and laying on the floor all the time. Don't flame me

In a way it's like crying wolf, except they probably don't know they're crying wolf.

Your logic is astounding. "Attention seeking disorder"... precious insight. It is well explained now. After all she deserved to die on those conditions. Being a psychiatric hospital, they can't be blamed.

As far as investigation... I would suggest you did it yourself. The more detailed video cuts show at one time a doctor also coming in, looking at her in the floor and going away.

But where you really shine is here:

Originally Posted by abachler

Was she even checked in or was she dumped there by her so called concerned family members, who I am sure will cry crocodile tears at her funeral while they count how much they can get from a lawsuit.

In here you say it all. Do you remember your first post on this thread? You said "He rarely posts his source, almost never checks it, and generally exagerates it." [sic] So... who's speaking of what they don't know? You, of course. How about I ask you to not exaggerate and to not bring into the discussion things you can't prove or support?

Attention seeking indeed.

There are a lot of people here talking about this that I would like to provide a little insight to. I am sure many of the readers are knowledgeable enough to recognize that this is not a representation of all heath care facilities in the United States. However, I'm sure some, specifically the European members with how their local media is portraying this would get the assumption that this kind of thing happens a lot here and that this is an every day kind of situation somewhere in the country.

So, speaking as a person that grew up in Brooklyn, I should probably explain a little bit about Kings County Hospital, which was located about 20-30 minutes from my home. Virtually everyone in the entire city of New York would consider Kings County Hospital to be one of the worst, if not the worst, hospital in New York and as far as we knew, the country. Kids used to make jokes about the idea of dying in the waiting room if they ever had to go there, though I never though I'd live to see the day it actually happened. It is located in an extremely bad area (Flatbush) and tends to the extremely desperate people. Even many people from the area that had virtually no money would attempt to avoid that hospital if possible. Anyway, I'm not making any excuses for what happened, I'm just trying to explain that this video was no nearly as shocking to me having known this hospital from my childhood.