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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Not really, no.
    Not today, but soon

    Quote Originally Posted by zacs7 View Post
    Don't use FF so it doesn't mean a thing
    The internet won't change, only the browser does. Nothing 'next level' about that.
    Quote Originally Posted by nvoigt View Post
    Seriously, I like FF, but it's just a browser, it doesn't save whales or something. I have to use IE7 at work and it's just as good. It renders a page. Period.

    Edit: And how much of a user interface does a browser need ? A "Back" button, a textbox for your favorite search engine. Tabs are nice sugar coating but you could as well just open new windows instead of tabs. An address bar. Maybe reload. Maybe cancel. That's it.
    Oh, but the internet will change when IE8 lands. Hopefully anyway.
    What we get is more standards compliant web pages!
    And while the Internet may not change - our perspective of it will change with FF3.

    And you'd be surprised with how much a web browser can do or must do.
    Render pages, store your history and all that.
    But rendering a page correctly, pretty and as it should be isn't easy. FF3 is making it all the more better.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidP View Post
    But browser changes sure are nice every once in awhile. I loath IE7 because of its UI. Whoever designed the user interface for IE7 needs to be fired.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos View Post
    Opera > FF now and forever!
    Damn FF Fanbois.
    Not that I have anything against it, but FF3 is now taking the lead in functionality and all. At least from what I've read.

    Quote Originally Posted by psychopath View Post
    Agreed. Although I'm fine with any browser, I find to Opera to be faster than FF.
    A fact that has now been disproved. FF3 is faster than Opera.

    And for the curious. Here is a link - guide to FF3 which contains a lot of the improvements to the browser. It should show us how much work has been put into FF3 and what benefits we reap.
    http://www.dria.org/wordpress/archives/2008/06/12/655/
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    But rendering a page correctly, pretty and as it should be isn't easy.
    Depends on what you mean. For me or you? Yes, it won't be easy, just like it won't be easy to write a complex parser and rendering engine. For them, the browser makers? It's pretty darn easy considering they already built the foundations. They just need to adhere to the standards which have been unchanged for so many years. I can only tag as total irresponsibility the fact a browser still comes out these days without FULL standards compliance.

    And that goes or ALL browsers. Amaya included.
    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Depends on what you mean. For me or you?
    For the developers of the page, for example?

    They just need to adhere to the standards which have been unchanged for so many years. I can only tag as total irresponsibility the fact a browser still comes out these days without FULL standards compliance.
    But there's so much more on today's web than standards...
    Displaying images, for example, supporting proper fonts, and so on.
    And the standards themselves, as many as they are, are big and complex and difficult to implement.
    No browser today has 100% standards compliance.
    It doesn't really matter that much, though, as long as the developers strive hard to achieve it.

    But then there's the question of speed and memory usage - things important to many people. A browser shouldn't eat too much memory (*cough* IE7 *cough*) or be too slow (*cough* IE7 *cough*).
    And I think the devs at Mozilla has done a great job with FF3.
    I hope they keep it up!
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
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