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Then I would like to counter with: is it not better, then, to design laws to protection and care for these situations?
Keep it legal or illegal has no effect on it, so if we want to do something about it - then we'd have to devise new laws and keep them protected.
I vote yes simply because I believe it's a good right.
As it stands, I don't want to get involved into the whole cons vs pros debate, because I really think legalizing it will do nothing more than give freedom and possibly increase problems.
Nope.
Does this argument apply to rape? A law wouldn't change the nature of rape but it does stop the abuse. A law does stop the abuse when someone is prosecuted. A law may or may not effectively prevent an activity like rape, or substance abuse, but you have to approach prevention using more civil means typically with regards to preventing an activity. Rehabilitation is one way. You've typically confounded the issues you debate in this way.
Last edited by whiteflags; 06-07-2008 at 03:58 AM.
Uhuh, but there's both sides of the coin.
Some may; some may not. As for why, I don't feel like going into in-depths discussions.
I'll just be contempt to say that I don't believe it's going to solve all problems.
There will always be people at both sides of the coin.
It may solve some problems; it might be somewhat better; then again, it might not. It's a balanced issue - 50% to each side.
The potential flaw in that reasoning is that you're assuming that these working woman can actually break ties with these pimps without ending up dead in a dumspter. You're also failing to take into account that many prostitutes are addicted to drugs, are young runaways, suffer from disease or have other social failings that would prevent them from working for these potential 'legal companies'. As Elysia seems to suggest, the problem and/or the solution is not so black and white.What abuse? From pimps? Who would work for a pimp taking all their money and beating them up when they could work for a legal company, get benefits, more pay, etc?
Legalization would not exacerbate this situation, only help it. They can't run from pimps to the cops, because they're committing a crime.
Well, I'm for legalizing drugs, too but again, these are problems now. They aren't created by legalizing prostitution. I never said it would rain chocolate and there would be peace on earth and two chickens in every pot if prostitution were legalized.You're also failing to take into account that many prostitutes are addicted to drugs, are young runaways, suffer from disease or have other social failings that would prevent them from working for these potential 'legal companies'. As Elysia seems to suggest, the problem and/or the solution is not so black and white.
Laws define rules by which we need to abide. Laws stop people from doing bad things, but they are not magical. Rape still happens even though it's illegal (and it's darn sad).
In the case of prostitution, will the abuse and slavery stop if it's legalized? Maybe it will lessen, but not disappear.
Laws are not bad. I just don't feel that legalizing prostitution will solve the problems around it.
>> Rape still happens even though it's illegal (and it's darn sad).
Precisely why it is illegal. The abuse is not tolerated, and therefore outlaws are justly persecuted in our society.
>> In the case of prostitution, will the abuse and slavery stop if it's legalized?
>> I just don't feel that legalizing prostitution will solve the problems around it.
You phrased my argument as a question and then stated my position. Would you like to try again or do you support me now?
Last edited by whiteflags; 06-07-2008 at 04:27 AM.
If every job got banned just because someone has a bad day, and some other "do-gooder" agreed with them, pretty soon, nothing would get done.
The "abuse" argument doesn't wash either. The abuse only happens due to the illegality of the act, and the abuser is taking a calculated chance that the abused won't report it to the authorities.
Plenty of other jobs suck (like say unblocking sewers), but if you tried to abuse the person doing the work, you'd be hauled up on charges in a hot second. Because the job is perfectly legal and everybody knows it.
Which is better?
The government "pimp" taking 40% through taxation, but in return you get pension, medical, a safe place to work with reasonable hours, and at least some say in the kinds of acceptable clientele. You'd also have the right to resign, and find another employer or a different line of work.
Or the street thug "pimp" who takes 90%, keeps you in debt, beats you up on a whim and forces you to go with whoever has the $$$. Trying to leave would be a huge gamble. When you've out-lived your usefulness to the pimp, you're just dumped with nothing for a newer model.
Expecting the oldest profession to disappear overnight by the wave of some magical legal wand, is just as fanciful as say expecting the pyramids at Giza to crumble into dust at a moments notice.
If you dance barefoot on the broken glass of undefined behaviour, you've got to expect the occasional cut.
If at first you don't succeed, try writing your phone number on the exam paper.
Well...
1) Prostitution in itself - to sell your body for money on purpose for a reason that does not include being coerced to by slaving or abuse or fear. If it is something someone would see as a valid job for money, that it is perfectly alright - then it should be legal.
2) Abuse, slavery, coercing, other effects that are often tied to prostitution - should be illegal.
3) Prostitution by coercing, abuse or slavery - that is, someone who is forced to prostitute - should be illegal (to cut down on this inappropriate act).
4) Rape should be illegal.
Hmm. I think that's it, unless I'm missing something.
>> Abuse, slavery, coercing, other effects that are often tied to prostitution - should be illegal.
And how will you prosecute these offenses? I've illustrated the difficulties in doing so if prostitution is legalized.