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    This was inspired by the smoking poll. Whether or not you personally use or agree with use, do you think marijuana should be legalized in the U.S.

    If you don't live in the US then I suppose this doesnt apply to you.

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    It matters not where you live. Drugs should never be legal.
    They are a danger to the ones who inject it and a danger to everyone around, as well.
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    Inject marijuana?

    There's actually a senator who proposes to legalize it in small uses, he claimed it to be, "Jail for serious criminals act". I don't use it personally so I don't care, just an interesting tidbit.

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    I can't say this with absolute certainly, but just from what I've seen, an alcoholic is more likely to endanger other people than cannabis addict is.
    So yes. Either that or excessive uses of alcohol should become illegal, and you know it never will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    So yes. Either that or excessive uses of alcohol should become illegal, and you know it never will.
    I can't say I agree.
    Alcohol is simply not forbidden because they can't do it (or it would be a very bad thing™).
    Alcohol is deeply rooted in the society TODAY, so they can't just make it illegal. It would lots of bad effects.
    However, dugs are illegal today and therefore it would only hurt society to make them legal. You know it will.
    Alcohol, smoking and drugs should all be forbidden and we can only hope that it will be one day when people stop doing it.

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    Of course, in America, in the early part of last century, they did try to forbid alcohol. I think you'll find that this only lead to criminals getting rich. Whether that is an argument for legalizing drugs, or the non-criminalization of alcohol, or something else, I'm not quite sure.

    In Sweden, they had a system or rationing on alcohol (in fact only applied to distilled spirits) for a few decades (1917-1955). For those that can read (or find translation), there is a Swedish Wiki article here: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motbok

    There is no evidence that this led to less alcoholism in Sweden, but some say that people would "buy their ration whether they needed to or not" (just like "spending the budget just because you never know if you get it next year or not").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    However, dugs are illegal today and therefore it would only hurt society to make them legal. You know it will.
    I'm not seeing the logical connections in this argument. It's illegal because it hurts people, and it hurts people because... it's illegal? Can you please relate an anecdote or other bit of experience that makes you believe that cannabis is harmful? "It's illegal so it's bad" is not an argument.

    Alcohol, smoking and drugs should all be forbidden and we can only hope that it will be one day when people stop doing it.
    Because the best world is a world that's locked down, where people's decisions are made for them, and Elysia's opinion is the only valid one?

    But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, since you've expressed similar opinions in the past, like banning people from living in areas where natural disasters occur (in other words, the entire planet)

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    IMO it should be fully legalized and taxed. Not only would it save a fortune on policing, court costs and keeping people in jail, but the government would be able to make money from it in the same way they do with tobbacco and alcohol. It does have its drawbacks as in it makes people lazy and can cause paranoia for people that overdo it, but in general its far less harmful smoking and drinking. Its also less addictive, which tends to be the main factor used in the classification of drugs. I think criminalizing it is unfair as people that smoke green generally arent arent causing problems for other people, so it should be a matter of personal choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewbuck View Post
    I'm not seeing the logical connections in this argument. It's illegal because it hurts people, and it hurts people because... it's illegal? Can you please relate an anecdote or other bit of experience that makes you believe that cannabis is harmful? "It's illegal so it's bad" is not an argument.
    If it wasn't illegal, more would use, which would mean more accidents and bad effects happening in the society.

    Because the best world is a world that's locked down, where people's decisions are made for them, and Elysia's opinion is the only valid one?

    But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, since you've expressed similar opinions in the past, like banning people from living in areas where natural disasters occur (in other words, the entire planet)
    Indeed?
    I beg you to think. There are idiots born in the society. If they drink and drive cars are they only affected? Or are others? In effect: because they do things, they hurt OTHERS who are INNOCENT.
    There will always be those kind of people, and in effect, making it illegal would most likely reduce this type of occurrence.
    I'm basing the opinion on that it benefits the society more in general, fewer accidents and less resources to catch such people, than if it were legal.

    This is how I see it. Feel free to disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike_g View Post
    IMO it should be fully legalized and taxed. Not only would it save a fortune on policing, court costs and keeping people in jail, but the government would be able to make money from it in the same way they do with tobbacco and alcohol.
    But then again, what expenses would it cause to clean up the mess some people do? To keep bigger and more checks, to hospitalize people hurt by those?
    It has an effect on society too, even if it brings in more income. It can bring more misery and death, as well as accidents, too.

    It does have its drawbacks as in it makes people lazy and can cause paranoia for people that overdo it, but in general its far less harmful smoking and drinking. Its also less addictive, which tends to be the main factor used in the classification of drugs. I think criminalizing it is unfair as people that smoke green generally arent arent causing problems for other people, so it should be a matter of personal choice.
    I do agree, but as a society, they must think of a middle line between which is acceptable and what isn't.
    If it hurts more to have it legalized, then unfortunately, they must think of the whole society first.
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    > Either that or excessive uses of alcohol should become illegal, and you know it never will.
    It is, well at least in Australia being drunk in public is against the law. And from what I've seen on Cops it also is in America?

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    I personally consider marijuana less dangerous than alcohol, and less annoying than normal cigarettes (because it's consumed in far smaller quantities), though I consume nothing of the kind.

    That said, I know that excessive marijuana use can mess up a life pretty good. The person simply becomes too lethargic to do anything.
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    less annoying than normal cigarettes (because it's consumed in far smaller quantities)
    Wouldn't making its consumption legal encourage its consumption?
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    Wouldn't making its consumption legal encourage its consumption?
    To a point. But the nature of cannabis makes me doubt that usage would go up significantly. It's not the kind of stuff that you casually smoke. Also, it's pretty cheap already, because it's so easy to cultivate.
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    Elysia, they did at one time outlaw alcohol, and it refined organized crime in the US. Drugs are already illegal and tied to organized crime as it is.

    Excessive alcohol is not illegal unless a person is behind the wheel, though it can be detrimental to your health or even deadly.

    Smoking tobacco can cause cancer and is filled with things humans don't want to breathe on a daily basis and it's legal.

    The only reason is because smoking and alcohol have been advertised as the cool thing to do from movies to tv news (like in the 50s).

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    They are a danger to the ones who inject it
    I don't need the law to tell me what is dangerous and what isn't, if i want to run a risk, i should be free to do so. Forbidding something just because it is risky, is just plain old totalitarianism.
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