Thread: Linux vs Windows

OK, here's the thing:
If you can suggest how to:

- Get rid of command lines entirely
- To run, install and use Linux without the use of the konsole
- Install drivers without the konsole
- Fix drivers and 5.1 surround for Creative X-fi
- Make wine run all Windows apps without command line
- Make it possible to run Visual Studio on Linux

Then I will consider it.

Originally Posted by Elysia

OK, here's the thing:
If you can suggest how to:

- Get rid of command lines entirely
- To run, install and use Linux without the use of the konsole
- Install drivers without the konsole
- Fix drivers and 5.1 surround for Creative X-fi
- Make wine run all Windows apps without command line
- Make it possible to run Visual Studio on Linux

Then I will consider it.

Ok... a direct counterpart, if you don't mind. I'm sure others can even come up with better

If you can:
- Reintroduce command line to windows as a real alternative
- To run, install and use Windows with the GUI interface I want, on the partition I want.
- Install drivers. Period. (you know what I mean)
- Force driver developers to be backwards compatible
- Make Microsoft Virtual PC go back to support Linux on its free version... as it always did before Microsoft bought it

As for "Make it possible to run Visual Studio on Linux", you got me there. However let it be said that gcc under linux is not one step behind Visual Studio on Windows. In fact, I would consider it to be far superior due to so much IDE availability, you get to throw up, a larger community support and a huge user base.

Anyways, make sure that happens and I maybe... well not really... go back to windows.

Originally Posted by Mario F.

you get to throw up

That's always a good thing.

>Why don't we. At least the ones among us who are
>a little more than average user. Start using Linux.
Why don't you give everyone a good reason other than "I don't like Microsoft's business practices". Unless you're just a mindless adopter, there has to be a good reason to switch from an OS you know and are comfortable with (that does everything you need), to something completely different that may or may not meet your needs.

>Even if side by side with Windows.
Once again, there has to be a good reason to bother spending time with Linux.

I can guarantee that when you say "Everyone should use Linux!", you'll get a resounding "Why?" in response.

> WinDoes MacOwes LinSucks

Your signature appears to disagree with the content of your thread.

Anyway, I don't know anyone who considers themself a C or C++ programmer that hasn't worked in both Linux and Windows. It's almost expected that you can operate cross-platform when you apply for a programming job (at least for a language that can be used cross-platform).

To be very honest, I use Windows for nearly everything except when I am developing for Linux and I see no reason at the current time to change my practices.

It must be hard for you, poor sod
But on a serious note, those are the quarrels I've got for Linux and why I do not consider it an alternative to Windows.

- Get rid of command lines entirely
- To run, install and use Linux without the use of the konsole
- Install drivers without the konsole
- Fix drivers and 5.1 surround for Creative X-fi
- Make wine run all Windows apps without command line
- Make it possible to run Visual Studio on Linux

That is more like "Convert Linux to Windows and i will use it"

I don't see the need to use Linux just because one is better than the average user. Using windows doesn't make you a noob and using Linux doesn't make you 1337. It depends a lot on what the person wants from his system. For casual use windows is the best, but it has its drawbacks.. I personally use both Windows as well as Linux based systems. There are a few things i like bout both of them, I like linux because it is open source,stable and i can configure it to run exactly according to my specifications. Windows on the other hand is easy to install and use and all major software / hardware companies support the latest versions of windows, so getting drivers is not a headache. On the other hand, some distros of linux can be a pain to install and to get them to work with your system. I'd recommend a windows user to switch to linux only if he/she wants to learn a new OS. Apart from that i don't think it matters a lot as to whether you are using windows or linux.

Yep, agree with you there. A lot speaks of "Linux will take over Windows" but I doubt it will come true. Windows and Linux are two different flavors of the same thing. They will exist beside each other. Linux isn't my type, so I'm sticking with Windows.

Originally Posted by manav

Only one more comment for now, I will add more, as I get to know more about Linux.
Eclipse is superb. Forget MSVC. Use Eclipse on Linux.
And please don't say that run this from Windows on Linux.
Instead try explore on you own, you are not a newbie anymore, and you will most likely find similar stuff in Linux.

Visual Studio is excellent because of its superior GUI and superior debugging facilities. Not to mention, no messing with command lines, each access to everything within the GUI, etc, etc.
Find me something similar on Linux.

Originally Posted by Elysia

Visual Studio is excellent because of its superior GUI and superior debugging facilities. Not to mention, no messing with command lines, each access to everything within the GUI, etc, etc.
Find me something similar on Linux.

gcc. Suprised?

Again you are confusing personal preferences with what defines a product to be good. If that was the only reason Visual Studio was good then we might as well dump it. Visual Studio is excellent because it apparently produces lean mean code and does it fast. It's IDE is top notch (except for Intellisense) and offer a lot of features that augment productivity. It also offers functionality for team based development, which is a must these days. It's debugger is powerful and fast.

Now... That is why Visual Studio is great in my opinion. However, I'm yet to see any developers capable of running me or you in circles sustaining gcc is crap. Do you dare?

>The reason may not be so good and it may be entirely
>simply because one just wants to experiment new things.
Wanting to experiment with new things a good reason. However, "because that guy over there told me to" isn't a good reason.

Originally Posted by Prelude

Wanting to experiment with new things a good reason. However, "because that guy over there told me to" isn't a good reason.

Yes. After having read Sly's and yours remarks I have to agree. That's not a good reason.

Originally Posted by Elysia

I think the last quote refers to that to that Linux isn't as compatible as Windows

Can you please elaborate... and no! I refuse to agree with the notion things are more difficult to do in Linux. I've heard it on this thread before and now again. I'm as much a linux advocate as I am a Microsoft one. Remember the only reason I moved to Linux is simply because of a very much personal preference to do with the fact I don't want to use Vista. Ever. However, I still look at XP and 2000 as two great operating systems. But... linux more difficult? Heck, it is if you don't want to learn how to use it. C'mon.