Thread: New levels of retardedness

Originally Posted by JFonseka

There are other newer things coming into consoles quicker than they are coming for the PC.

Its easier to fill an empty room, that to fit more into a full room. Consoles aren't advancing faster than PC's, they are just using technologies that already exist in PC's. The same thing is happenign with GPU's, everyone is having orgasms claiming that they are exceedign moores law blah blah whatever. Its easy to double the speed of a 400 MHz core to 800 MHZ when 800 Mhz was done 5 years before, its far harder to actually push the envelope. So consoles are now using hard drivees, big deal, PC's have been doing that for 20 years.

All 3 points are untrue. These are your biased opinion.
There is a wide variety of genres and games on consoles (just look at Nintendo games!), the gameplay is as good as any other games on PC and there is a big list of games if you include all consoles or just take a look at old PS2 games.
Take it from someone who has actually played a dozen console games. They do not have subpar gameplay.

Originally Posted by abachler

Its easier to fill an empty room, that to fit more into a full room. Consoles aren't advancing faster than PC's, they are just using technologies that already exist in PC's. The same thing is happenign with GPU's, everyone is having orgasms claiming that they are exceedign moores law blah blah whatever. Its easy to double the speed of a 400 MHz core to 800 MHZ when 800 Mhz was done 5 years before, its far harder to actually push the envelope. So consoles are now using hard drivees, big deal, PC's have been doing that for 20 years.

Especially considering the new generation consoles have radically different technologies to the PC?
THe PS3 has new technology developed by IBM in it's processors, blue ray invented by sony, Wii's new control method, etc.

You sure seem biased towards PCs...
While not radically different, they do have different technologies than PCs. Especially Cell, which was developed by IBM, Toshiba and Sony. Wii's control can already be used on PC, but was designed for the console.

Originally Posted by abachler

and you seem biased towards consoles, so what, having a bias does not invalidate a conjecture.

Certainly not, but I don't think all your points are particularly good, either...
Maybe it's just enough to say that consoles vs. PC games may just be opinions. However, genres and games are evenly spread out, if not in favor of, consoles. That much is pretty much fact, I think.

'Cell' technology is nothing new, vector processing using distributed compute nodes on a single board or wafer has been aroudn for decades. Its just a new implimentation of existign technology.

As I said, AHEM POWERGLOVE. The wii control is nothing new. putting accelerometers into a control has been doen several times over the last few decades. teh Wii is just the first one to dumb the game down so that the innacurate nature of the controls isn't a problem.

You did say...
But the question is - can it be classified as new technology depending on how it was built and is being used or when the basic bits was invented? Come on, even if the individual PC parts existed, when put together, it would still be new technology.

Originally Posted by Yarin

Consol games being just as good as PC is as much your opinion as the 3 points are.

I don't think there is one side is better than the other.
There are many excellent games for consoles. Nintendo games are just an example.
On the other hand, there are lots of good PC games too, such as Oblivion.
So I don't think you can say any side has an advantage here...

Originally Posted by Elysia

All 3 points are untrue. These are your biased opinion.
There is a wide variety of genres and games on consoles (just look at Nintendo games!), the gameplay is as good as any other games on PC and there is a big list of games if you include all consoles or just take a look at old PS2 games.
Take it from someone who has actually played a dozen console games. They do not have subpar gameplay.

There might be a wide variety of games on consoles, but PC certainly has A LOT wider variety of games. Proof of concept - OpenTTD & other tycoons.

Originally Posted by abachler

Consoles aren't advancing faster than PC's, they are just using technologies that already exist in PC's.

When the Xbox360 came out it was nothing like any PC on the market, and it still isn't.

Oh and just because Cray used to make vector CPUs doesn't mean that the Cell isn't new technology. It took 3 major IT companies 7 years to develop, saying that it's basically just a Cray vector CPU is just stupid.

So unfortunately it lived up to its name

saying that it's basically just a Cray vector CPU is just stupid

I call it like I see it. I work with HPC every day, trust me cell is nothign new, just a new application of existing technology. Better performance yes, took development time yes, new idea no.