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    Hi all

    I have just graduated from universtiy with my electronic engineering degree, and i would like to specialise in a windows programming language. At this point i cannot decide which one to practice in -c# , java, c++ etc? Please could somebody offer me some advice at which is the best enginnering language after C for engineering desktop programming.


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    I suggest you start with Win32API, move to MFC... And then continue from there.
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    Learn C++. It is quite easy to learn when you know C and you should feel comfortable with it.

    Then learn Win32 API and there you go - you've started with Windows programming.
    MFC may look tempting but it isn't so "easy and productive" as it seems.
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    Cheers for your reply guys.

    After learning the Win32 API, can i go onto c++ .net, or would you say stick with the MFC (i dont really understand the difference).

    lastly i have copies of Visual Studio version 6 and version 7. Some people say verseion 6 is better that 7. Do you agree? Which do you recommend?

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    It depends.

    First off... you shouldn't have too much trouble with any of those 3 languages if you allready know C. It's a matter of what you want to do.

    First off, you should realise that creating basic GUIs is very difficult.

    C# has the easiest, problem free, programming interface for making a windowed app (Windows.Forms). Unfortunately, the Windows.Forms interface is windows specific, and patents surrounding C# are doing a lot to keep GPL compilers away from C# (Mono is the GPL C# compiler, btw).

    C++ is okay enough. wxWidgets is the simplest interface for throwing together a GUI. Easy to use, but tricky to learn. I know this is what I would do.

    Java... I guess it's a blend. The windowed programming interface (Swing) is not so rough to learn, but good Java programming will take years to learn.
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    can i go onto c++ .net, or would you say stick with the MFC (i dont really understand the difference).
    Why'd you want to do that? Stick with Win32 API.
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    Ere um

    I have never heard of win32 API (sorry). I understood windows (95, 98, xp etc) are programed in MFC. I therefore thought to write comprehensive engineering programs i would have to create programs in c++/ MFC.

    Am i correct in saying win32 API is only used on windows platforms?

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    I understood windows (95, 98, xp etc) are programed in MFC.
    You understood wrong. They are all Win32 API. Actually MFC is just a wrapper and actually uses Win32 API calls, because Win32 API calls are the ONLY way programs can communicate with Windows.
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    I hate MFC. It's syntax is ugly. I use wxWidgets for its ease-of-use and wide range of options. Also, wxWidgets can be used with almost any compiler, whereas MFC is proprietary and can only be used with Visual C++. That's just my opinion, however. You might love MFC.
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    I hate MFC. It's syntax is ugly.
    I agree. MFC is evil, it killed manutd's cat. But I use Win32 API for everything.
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    What is wxWidgets?

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    People don't confuse the poor guy.
    Dude, if you don't know C++, learn it.

    Learn Win32API, without this you will never understand windows programming.
    Then MFC could be nice it makes life a little easier, and it's basicly nothing more than just C++ classes that contain Win32API, but they do short things.
    Then You can move to C# and so on.

    maxorator, I don't think it's a wise advice to give, "stick to Win32API".
    It's long, messy, and the development takes just way too much time.
    At one point or another you need to more on.
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    Then You can move to C# and so on.
    You think C# is more advanced than C++? Then start messing with VB, if you think so.
    Or after learning C++, you could learn HTML, what a progress!

    The only thing that is more advanced than C or C++ is Assembly.
    maxorator, I don't think it's a wise advice to give, "stick to Win32API".
    It's long, messy, and the development takes just way too much time.
    At one point or another you need to more on.
    I find copy-paste and modify the best tactique to use Win32 API so you can do it as fast as with any other wrapper.
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    Allow my to explain why I said C# after C++.

    C# is not advanced, it's lame.
    BUT... If he's going to code windows apps for a living, believe me, he will probably use it, since it's alot faster to do insane looking GUI with C# that with C++ using Win32API and MFC... PLUS, many companies demand that you work with it!

    The reason I said C++ before C#, because it's a good idea to learn the hard first and then mess your head with Microsoft crap. C/C++ will ALWAYS be a better language for programming, than C#.
    I've see many people who started with VB or C# and then had difficult time to move to C/C++.
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    C/C++ will ALWAYS be a better language for programming, than C#.
    OK, that explains it.
    But still, I ain't gonna work anywhere where C# is necessary. Those must be really lame companies, who really don't give a **** what they are infecting the customers' computers with. (A hint: laggy slow, low-performance programs)

    I am using a quite fast computer and some VB, C# and Java applications are damn slow compared to some real applications.
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