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This is a discussion on New system within the Tech Board forums, part of the Community Boards category; Looking to upgade or replace my existing system with this: Specs Mobo: ASUS Crosshair http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...83&modelmenu=1 CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 http://shopus.amd.com/pi/682-1031192...)-Product-Info ...

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    New system

    Looking to upgade or replace my existing system with this:

    Specs

    Mobo: ASUS Crosshair
    http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...83&modelmenu=1

    CPU: AMD Phenom 9600
    http://shopus.amd.com/pi/682-1031192...)-Product-Info

    Memory: Corsair XMS TWIN2X 1024 x 2
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145034

    Video card: NVidia 8800 GTS 640MB @ 580 MHz
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814143092

    Power supply:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371012


    Comments/suggestions?

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    I'm sure you've heard about the L3 cache bug in the first release of the Phenoms, Bubba? I'm looking to augment my cluster with a Phenom-based system as well. But I want to wait until they fix the bug and release the 9x50 chips.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenom_%28processor%29

    Scroll down to "issues". The fixed version should be released mid to late Q1 2008.

    Also, I have heard that intel's quads, at least in benchmarks like over at tom's hardware, outperform the Phenom's. But, apparently my parsing program works faster on AMD's than Intels, so I stick with AMD for now. Just my two cents.

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    No I was not aware of the L3 bug but thanks a million for informing me. I will wait for either the 9x50 chips or the Phenom FX chips.

    This is why I post my sys specs here before buying. I'm a software guy and the only time I get involved with hardware is when I have to upgrade my rig. Thanks DA.

    Even though Intel may be faster I just cannot bring myself back to Intel. They abandoned gamers and PC users some time ago and just now they are trying to come back.

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    Wow, I can't believe how much cheaper that ram is now! Oh well thats how it goes in the world of hardware. Sounds like a good system, do you want to trade graphics cards?
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    Why did you pick a G80 640MB 8800GTS when the new G92 8800GTS-512 is considerably faster and quite alot cheaper as well..

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121218

    Also, why AMD? The new Q9450 or Q9550 from Intel will practically tear AMD a new one, or that's what most of the hardware sites think atleast, i guess we can't know for sure yet..
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    Bah to Intel.
    AMD's processors will scale better with frequency while Intel's will scale less, so Intel doesn't have the last laugh yet And this is due to their processor design.
    And I would still think that AMD will be cheaper than Intel's processors. They've typically always been...
    Well, I guess I haven't checked current prices so I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Bah to Intel.
    AMD's processors will scale better with frequency while Intel's will scale less, so Intel doesn't have the last laugh yet And this is due to their processor design.
    And I would still think that AMD will be cheaper than Intel's processors. They've typically always been...
    Well, I guess I haven't checked current prices so I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.
    Well so do i, it's a guessing game really. But atleast the current Phenoms that are on the market atm, does not perform better clock-for-clock than it's Penryn counterpart, chances are the new ones won't either considering the only difference is a bug fix and higher clocks...

    Not trying to favour anyone here, but seems to me that Intel would be the wisest choice currently...
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    Even if AMD is slightly slower I'll stick with AMD because they have better chips, better design, and better gaming, better scalability, and better or near equal performance at lower prices.

    If you look on NVidia's site the 512mb 8800 GTS is a special breed. It cannot be mixed (SLIed) with any other card except another 512mb GTS. My original choice was the 512, but after reading NVidia's specs I upped it to a 640mb GTS.

    The shader clock on the 512 is the second fastest in the 8800 lineup with the 8800 ultra topping the list. The actual memory clock I believe is faster on the 512mb GTS than on the 8800 768mb ultra.

    But cards beyond the 640mb GTS are just way out of my range - or moreso way out of the range I feel comfortable with. Just because I can afford a 600 dollar card does not mean I'm gonna grab one. As it is the GPU is running about 150 bucks more than the CPU which is insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    Even if AMD is slightly slower I'll stick with AMD because they have better chips, better design, and better gaming, better scalability, and better or near equal performance at lower prices.

    If you look on NVidia's site the 512mb 8800 GTS is a special breed. It cannot be mixed (SLIed) with any other card except another 512mb GTS. My original choice was the 512, but after reading NVidia's specs I upped it to a 640mb GTS.

    The shader clock on the 512 is the second fastest in the 8800 lineup with the 8800 ultra topping the list. The actual memory clock I believe is faster on the 512mb GTS than on the 8800 768mb ultra.

    But cards beyond the 640mb GTS are just way out of my range - or moreso way out of the range I feel comfortable with. Just because I can afford a 600 dollar card does not mean I'm gonna grab one. As it is the GPU is running about 150 bucks more than the CPU which is insane.
    But the 8800GTS-512 isn't a 600$ card. The one i linked to you is 80 dollars cheaper than the 8800GTS 640 you picked, and it blows it out of the water performance wise. Why in the world does i make you feel comfortable to use 80 dollars more on something not nearly as good? I don't understand..

    And as far as SLI goes, the 8800GTS-512 will not work with any other card than another 8800GTS-512, but the same is true for any other nVidia card and SLI, also the 8800GTS 640, that's just how SLI works. Crossfire is different, but 8800GTS-512 isn't a special breed, you can't mix cards when it comes to SLI..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post
    Not trying to favour anyone here, but seems to me that Intel would be the wisest choice currently...
    Not to AMD fans, like me and Bubba
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    I agree, I'm also an AMD 'fan'. =) Good luck Bubba, sounds like an awesome setup. Don't forget to get 4 gigs of ram, and a 64 bit operating system =)
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    Crossfire is different, but 8800GTS-512 isn't a special breed, you can't mix cards when it comes to SLI..
    I have my doubts about that statement. If it wasn't a special breed then why did it require it's own asterisk with an explanation at the bottom of the graph??

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    ex-AMD, now Intel fan here, I love my C2D. I hadn't gotten an Intel based processor in years, so I went out on a limb and tried one, I have to say I was very impressed. Clock for clock compared to my dads computer running a dual core AMD (not sure which exactly) my computer out performs by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    I have my doubts about that statement. If it wasn't a special breed then why did it require it's own asterisk with an explanation at the bottom of the graph??
    I don't know why that asterisk is there, but nVidia's own FAQ says the following about SLI:

    Do other graphics card features such as VIVO need to match?
    No, you only need to match the NVIDIA GPUs (for example GeForce 7800 GTX) for SLI technology to work. As mentioned above, NVIDIA also recommend that customers match the memory size to ensure that they get full performance and value out of their graphics card purchase.
    http://www.slizone.com/page/slizone_faq#c12
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