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This is a discussion on new system within the Tech Board forums, part of the Community Boards category; since one of my systems died on me recently I had to go get myself a replacement. total cash spent ...

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    Talking new system

    since one of my systems died on me recently I had to go get myself a replacement.

    total cash spent was $588.73 CDN

    AMD AM2 3800+ cpu
    Foxconn k8m890 motherboard
    Liteon 16x dvd/rw [ black ]
    Wd Sata 250GB 8mb cache @ 7200rpm
    512MB DDR2 4200 ( 533MHz )
    Asus Geforce PCX6200TC video
    ob 10/100 nic
    Coolmax v400 power supply
    Tsunami speakers
    generic keyboard and mouse [ black ]
    ob sound
    [ actually has ob video as well as the external card ]
    6 USB ports, with support for 8
    17" case with front usb and audio [ black ]

    since I'm wanting to use it for an lfs box, I installed Mandriva 2007 to check hardware support, everything worked out of the box.
    no driver issues at all.
    [ but a very long device list.. 16 page long device list ]

    nope, no games going on it, no windows going on it.
    strictly a linux box.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Henager
    If the average user can put a CD in and boot the system and follow the prompts, he can install and use Linux. If he can't do that simple task, he doesn't need to be around technology.

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    I hope you aren't into gaming. That 6200TC isn't going to do much. Personally I'd have invested in the 7300GS. The price difference couldn't have been much.

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    Heh, if it's strictly a Linux box, what are you going to run on it? Usually I get bored after playing with the OS for a while.
    I'm not sure how much Canadian Dollars are worth, but assuming they're similar to US Dollars that seems like a fair price for a fully functional system.
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    Nice price. And the old system may lend some of its stuff. Hope the DIMMs are compatible. Those 512 Mb aren't going to get you anywhere. The hard disk needs no upgrade. 250 GB is very sexy already. But it doesn't hurt to salvage the old one either.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    ok, lets try this again.

    Frobozz, nope I am not into gaming, nor do I own a single game.

    Boksha, the Canadian dollar is about 80 cents US, so pretty much the same price.
    I'll use the box as a server for development.. subversion, cvs, ftp, web, email, ssh mysql, postgresql ....
    lots of resources for that use.

    Mario, with linux, and server type use, 512 is a huge amount of ram.
    I was running linux on the celeron @600MHz that just died with only 128mb sdram.

    I did save the floppy and internal iomega zip drive, the oly two bits of the old box that would function at all.
    Last edited by Jaqui; 01-03-2007 at 08:47 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Henager
    If the average user can put a CD in and boot the system and follow the prompts, he can install and use Linux. If he can't do that simple task, he doesn't need to be around technology.

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    by LFS do you mean Linux From Scratch or Linux File Server?

    I have never done the from scratch thing, have been considering it for my desktop, since I don't run a whole ton of stuff in Linux other than my music/development/web browsing tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaqui
    nope I am not into gaming, nor do I own a single game.
    Don't you get bored? Or are you one of those programmers who actually has a life?

    Also a fancy video card would allow for fancy features in Beryl or similar.
    Last edited by Frobozz; 01-04-2007 at 12:18 AM.

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    Wraithan,
    Linux From scratch.
    I don't like the bloat that the distros have included.
    [ gnome, kde, smbclient, blue-utils, laptop utils ( on a desktop? why? )... ]

    Frobozz, nope I don't get bored. I not only have a life, I have a wife and child
    nd neither of them will ever touch my computer, my cli by default linux scares them when it boots ~lmao~

    the multiple screens of text scrolling by during the boot got my daughter worried she broke the computer the first time she saw it.
    [ she was only 5, and had only ever seen the mushroom treatment boot of indows before that. ]


    mushroom treatment, hide what's happening from the user behind pretty pictures.. keeping you in the dark and feeding you bull _ _ _ _

    most linux distros are doing the same thing, treating you like a mushroom.



    I don't want fancy features, that's why command line is my preferred user interface
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Henager
    If the average user can put a CD in and boot the system and follow the prompts, he can install and use Linux. If he can't do that simple task, he doesn't need to be around technology.

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    Jaqui...I am also in canada. Were did you buy your computer parts?
    Compiler in use: MinGW

    OS: Windows ME

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    mushroom treatment, hide what's happening from the user behind pretty pictures.. keeping you in the dark and feeding you bull _ _ _ _

    most linux distros are doing the same thing, treating you like a mushroom.

    I don't want fancy features, that's why command line is my preferred user interface
    Dude... you need to understand the business model behind operating systems before you go and bash MS Windows. You state that "most linux distros are doing the same thing," well no ......... I don't know about you, but I'm constantly hearing news about making linux easier to use and as a growing competitor towards MS Windows and Mac OS... wonder why?

    This is a programming forum. Not a "look at me! I have a bigger ePenis because I just built 'lfs' machine and use the command line" forum.

    Not to start some flaming here, but please... just because you love to have ultimate control over your machine using a command line doesn't mean that the world should and it certainly doesn't mean that it's wrong to "mushroom" things.
    Last edited by brooksbp; 01-05-2007 at 12:14 AM.

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    @brooksbp:
    In my opinion he wasn't bashing windows itself, but the mentality of computer users and what they accept without question. The LFS thing is a good idea if you want an system completely set up to your specs without all the spare drivers/programs that will never be used.

    Also, using the CLI is sometimes a lot easier (though I still like to have X installed so I can use GVIM instead of regular VIM, what can I say, I have been a Windows user since all the games started coming out for Windows 95.)

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    code2d,

    I bought it at Vastech in Vancouver, it was about $100 cheaper than the next lowest priced shop.
    http://www.vastechcomputer.com/

    I would pick up acopy of Hub Digital Living for the area you are in, and check the local advertisers in it, you'll find a local shop with comparable prices.

    brookshop,
    Wraithan is right, I wasn't bashing windows, but I wasn't bashing people either. I was bashing the stupidity of hiding data that can often save you hours of frustration in finding out WHY something isn't working right.

    the older style of posting boot data that linux had would tell you if a service didn't start correctly, hiding it behind a graphic screen so you don't know your print server is down is not a smart idea.
    MS didn't come up with this idea, apple started it long before MS did. with the very first apple 2 personal computer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Henager
    If the average user can put a CD in and boot the system and follow the prompts, he can install and use Linux. If he can't do that simple task, he doesn't need to be around technology.

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    At least on any of the distros of Linux you can still do a dmesg to find out what you missed (if the distro hides it). What is that command on Windows?????

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    Kennedy,
    I just take the graphic boot out of the configuration, then I don't miss any messages.

    I really dislike spending hours working on something then finding out it was wasted time because some serious subsystem didn't initialise properly, so I want the messages displayed.

    It happened once, I lost 6 hours work because of hidden boot mesages. never again will I use any operating system that defaults to hiding them, or won't let you display them during boot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Henager
    If the average user can put a CD in and boot the system and follow the prompts, he can install and use Linux. If he can't do that simple task, he doesn't need to be around technology.

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    You missed my point. What I'm saying is that *at least* on all of the distros (if you get it to boot) you can dmesg to see what you missed, however, on Windows it isn't that simple.

    EDIT: I guess what confused you is that I agreed with you.
    Last edited by Kennedy; 01-05-2007 at 03:46 PM.

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