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    use wine? Why not tell people that they should forget linux and use cygwin on windows? Wine is not more than an emulator. That means it has all the issues of any other emulator.
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    Hmm, isn't creating something that supports Linux, and sellingit to most Linux users profitable? I don't get it...
    Another example is games, I'm pretty sure that games like UT2k3 and NWN (which were ported to Linux) sell more because of this.
    it depends... you have to find enough linux users that will want to buy it and make it worth your time...

    if your a manager, and your going to pay a team of 10 people $10/hour to port a program to linux, and they take 50 hours to finish, that's already a $50,000 investement... now you have to face the fact that your selling to the minority and are dealing with more comatablitiy problems...

    now you see windows... you pay the same 10 people the same $10/hour and it takes them 45 hours to finish (studies have shown development on Windows is easier and cheaper). now your looking at a majority market, where you pretty much know exactly what your going to find in each computer.

    oh, and did i mention this is nothing more than a scientific calculator? now you try to sell it to linux users, and they say they made a scientific calculator in elementary programming classes. then you go to some of the windows users, and alothough a few say the same thing, alot say they can use it for taxes...

    that was a pretty poor example, but I think I got my point across: it's alot riskier to program for linux, so that's why there aren't as many games, etc. for Linux... if you need proof, go to your local game retailer and count the number of games that say you need a PC with windows or a MAC... not many say they're linux-compatible...
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    >>How about sharing an example with us?

    because of the open source nature of linux, you can change the entire OS around to how you like it (most people wouldn't actually mess with the kernel, im referring more to the GUI side of it, whether it be XFree or whatever window manager). You can't do anything more than change the visual style of the GUI in windows (besides a few minor registry tweaks for various things) but nothing as dramatic as what you can do in Linux. Why spend hours trying to make a secure login that can't be closed? Why not just tweak the GUI so that it can't be closed from there? That's what I mean.
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    I use Linux for quite a bit. At home, browsing the web (like I'm doing now), IM'ing with aMSN, image editing with Gimp (yes, I know there's a Windows version), music with XMMS, and generally just messing around.

    At work I use Linux for web, email, music, and internal chat (GAIM in this case). I will also be setting up my computers tommorow to take advantage of Linux's DD command so that restoring my entire OS will take about 10 minutes. That includes activation, drivers, shortcuts, EVERYTHING. Let's see you do that in Windows

    At home I use Windows for stuff that I can't use Linux for. Generally this is games, video encoding, scanning (scanner no worky in Linux) and honestly that's about it. The more I get used to Linux, the more I like it.

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    Where Windows is a more appropriate desktop for grandma and the kids.
    It means that as I am a kid, Windows would be better for me rite? I don't have extra money to buy another computer for Linux now.

    Can I do dual boot with my WinXP Pro ???

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    Yes, but with what you've stated and shown us on here, I think you should just stick to Windows for now.

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    Originally posted by afreedboy
    It means that as I am a kid, Windows would be better for me rite? I don't have extra money to buy another computer for Linux now.
    probably... i would stay with windows for now... and you don't need an entirely new computer to have a linux machine... you could pobably just get another HD and put a linux system on it... then switch them when you want to switch OS's...
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    Coming back to the point about hardware drivers, don't you buy the hardware with the view that it should work in your computer, regardless of which OS you run? Linux is a modern operating system, just like Windows, so you should reasonably expect it to be supported. Some companies still release DOS drivers for their hardware, for God's sake!

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    I like Linux because of the options. I'm wanting to work with computers , and Linux and Unix allow me to learn more about them in a steady process. I learn more about how different computer processes work. Also I am not restricted to viewing a single screen when I boot up. I can move many things around to how I please. Windows just has a larger monopoly than linux as of now. Thats was schools use. Thats what people grow up with. Thats why Linux doesn't get the proper respect in the world IMO.
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    Originally posted by major_small
    probably... i would stay with windows for now... and you don't need an entirely new computer to have a linux machine... you could pobably just get another HD and put a linux system on it... then switch them when you want to switch OS's...

    Now I have two hard disks. But I don't want to make switch IDE cable whenever I want to switch OS's. By the way Linux partition can be seen from winXp and vice versa???

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    Originally posted by afreedboy
    Now I have two hard disks. But I don't want to make switch IDE cable whenever I want to switch OS's. By the way Linux partition can be seen from winXp and vice versa???
    You shouldn't have any problems putting the OS's on different drives, but don't quote me on that one I know Windows has issues with being on different drives, but I think Linux can handle it pretty good. Especially if you use a boot disk.

    Linux can see (among many, many other things) Windows partitions, both FAT and NTFS. Older versions of the kernel don't support writing to NTFS though, just reading. Newer kernels (2.6 series) lets you write as well, but only to existing files, and it's quite limiting at that.

    Windows on the other hand, cannot see linux partitions. At least not natively, I'm not sure if there's applications out there that let you see it. It's also possible to install Linux on FAT32, but not reccomended. If this was the case, Windows could see Linux.

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    >>Where Windows is a more appropriate desktop for grandma and the kids.
    Are you talking about GUIs? I was using the command line when I hardly knew how to walk! It's true, I can prove it
    However, if people get used to the GUIs for everything, they'll never see the beauty of the command line.
    Yes, GNU/Linux has GUIs, but a lot is still done (and better than in GUI IMO) by command line.
    Hardware drivers are a problem though. Most makers don't bother, and some don't even release the details of the product so that maybe other people would be able to write a driver for it.
    It seems like Linux is getting more support now, but only time will tell where we'll end up.
    BTW, I'm running Linux right now I only really boot into WinXP when I feel like playing.
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    >>Now I have two hard disks. But I don't want to make switch IDE cable whenever I want to switch OS's. By the way Linux partition can be seen from winXp and vice versa???

    that's the way I do it... i guess you could just set the master/slave jumpers instead of using the CS jumper... maybe some company out there makes a propriatery switch you can use for that purpose, but that would probably bring it ouside your case...
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    two words:

    dual boot

    install windows on one drive
    then install *nix on the other drive

    using lilo as your bootmanager and itll recognize windows and *nix, and when you boot, you'll be given a choice of which os to load

    or get knoppix linux (which is what i most commonly use if i jut wanna screw around):
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    I downloaded linux a few day's ago. And its amazing at what you can do and nothing is hidden. Unlike windows theres many spyware and other things hidden that is made by microsoft or a crazy person that just makes viruses. I got topology-linux because I didn't feel like partitioning my hardrirve. You can install it and run linux or windows.

    I have a question that most of you probably wondered too. When I got windows for the first time I also wondered this. How do I access the floppy and CD drives?

    I might use Linux to do more things after learning how to do more in it. In windows there is a delay when openning programs in linux you open a program and its there very quickly.

    What operating system will most people use in the future. While MS is charging more and more every day and Linux more and more free stuff arrive. I think Linux will be the operating system of the future there are many reasons. Where I live everyone is growing up with a computer, thus they will know more about computers and will won't to do more e.g. create programs, costumize everything the way they want it (like me) and linux allows you to costumize everything.

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