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    Building a new computer

    I was just going over some of the hard drives for my new system and I found something wierd: IDE and EIDE, what is the difference.

    Like on the Mboard I got IDE but the hard drive says EIDE, I don't own neither so I have not tried to connect them together.
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    An IDE interface cable has two plugs and can be attached to two devices. The first device acts as the master, and the second device acts as a slave. This interface is busy if either device is processing a request, so activity on one device blocks access to the other. It will generally be necessary when adding a new disk to a system to set a switch or connector on the disk to indicate if it is to function as master or slave.

    When they designed the EIDE standard, they needed compatibility with all the existing IDE devices. So they didn't change the rules on the cable. An EIDE interface chip can support four devices, but it has two interface cables each connecting two devices. The EIDE chip looks and acts like two IDE chips. An old IDE disk can be connected to a new EIDE connector.

    However, a new large EIDE disk cannot always be connected to an old PC. The original IBM programming interface limited the disk space to 528 megabytes (not a big problem when hard disks had 10 or 20 megs). Today there are 1 gig disks advertised for little more than $200. However, an old IDE disk interface chip may not support data beyond the first 528 megs. You can buy a new interface card for $40, but even then the BIOS on old systems will not support I/O to partitions that extend beyond 528 megs. You may need to load a new operating system (Windows 95, OS/2, or Windows NT) and the partitions containing the operating system files may have to reside completely within the first 528 megs of the disk.

    Computers built in the last year should come with Extended IDE (EIDE). The extensions overcome limits in the original IDE design:

    IDE supports only disks. EIDE supports a mixture of disks, tapes, and CDROM drives.
    IDE supports only two devices. EIDE supports up to four devices on the same controller chip although it uses two cables.
    EIDE allows disks up to 1 gigabyte. Larger disks may also work, but that is up to the vendor. IBM, for example, doesn't officially support EIDE disks larger than one gig.
    Since EIDE simulated two separate IDE interface chips, there is an optimization that many customers do not fully appreciate. Newer operating systems (OS/2, Windows NT, and even Windows 95 to some extent) permit more than one I/O request to be running at a time. When a program wants to read something from a disk, the request is given to the disk interface and another program is allowed to run while the first program waits for data. However, the IDE interface allows only one of the two disks connected to the same cable to be active at a time, and any request to use the second disk will be blocked while data is being read from the first disk. An EIDE interface duplicates this IDE restriction, but since the EIDE chip looks like two IDE devices, a request can be made through the second interface while the first interface is busy.

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    If you are thinking of building a new computer - you may well want to conside SATA as your drive connection. Most respectable newer boards/chipsets offer it now.
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    SATA, is it better than SCSI? or what is SCSI and SATA?

    Stupid alphabet soup!
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    SATA (Serial ATA)

    SCSI (Small Computer System Interface)

    OR... I have an idea. Why don't you look it up yourself?

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    Originally posted by ober5861
    [OR... I have an idea. Why don't you look it up yourself?
    This reminds me - don't you just hate when your parents or teacher tells you that when you ask for a definition of a word?

    But thanks anyway!
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    Don't you think the parents hate it when the kid is too lazy to look up the word?

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    So, what would you suggest for my new Comp as a hard disk connection, SCSI or SATA?

    Personally I were to stick with the old times and have an IDE.
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    save money=ide
    speed=scsi or sata
    speed+compatibility=scsi
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    Let's talk about SAX

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    SATA because more and more boards have it as standard. SCSI is expensive because the drives are, and you need a control card.
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    Originally posted by adrianxw
    SATA because more and more boards have it as standard. SCSI is expensive because the drives are, and you need a control card.
    Echo that.

    More and more mobos are supporting the new SATA drives. I think it's a safe bet that most manufacturers will want to move to this.

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    speed+compatibility=scsi
    tell that to the people that barely crimp a 20 dollar scsi cord and it becomes worthless, not to mention knocking one of those drives running at 15000 rpm really messes them up. They are hot to the touch, have a supersonic whine that can bother the heck out of people, and arent that much faster than SATA drives. also, for ~10x the price of an IDE drive, i dont think they are that good.

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    Wait a minut, SCSI is hell of an old thing, like 5 maybe more years old.
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    Originally posted by Liger86
    Wait a minut, SCSI is hell of an old thing, like 5 maybe more years old.
    You are clueless. SCSI has been around a lot longer than 5 years. Besides, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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