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    Which is good?

    I am quite familiar with C++ programming. I rated myself about intermediate level. But I am completely beginner for web programming. Which web programming should I start to learn? I heard CGI is similar to C++. Please give me advice.

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    You could try PHP.

    CGI is not really a programming language, but provides for running programs (e.g. a Perl script, or PHP for that matter) on a webserver.

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    I second the notion of PHP. If you know C/C++ fairly well, the switch should be easy. It would also be helpful to know HTML if you're going to use PHP tho.

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    I third the PHP... it's pretty close to C++ and it won't be hard at all to learn if you already know some C++.
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    Well html and javascript would be the first 2 to learn, then move on to php. FYI html and javascript are client side languages, php works on the server.
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    If you want to do a CGI-program, all you need is a language that can handle standard I/O, for example C/C++.

    It's not always the best choice because php and perl can handle text strings much easier.

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    >>Well html and javascript would be the first 2 to learn, then move on to php. FYI html and javascript are client side languages, php works on the server.

    IMO, that's not entirely necessary, but it's a really good idea so you get a little experience with web scripting/markup... HTML is good to learn as a beginner because you really only have to write a little more than half of the 'code' and it will still show up properly in most browsers...
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    >>because you really only have to write a little more than half of the 'code' and it will still show up properly in most browsers...

    And that is supposed to be good practice??? That's why stuff is messed up in random browsers. Because crappy web designers don't know how to write markup that works in all browsers.

    I spit on your remarks *patooey*

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    i never said it was good... just possible... I'm actually kinda like a code nazi when it comes to explicitly closing tags...
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    for html?

    Thanks for every reply.

    Now I may start php. By the way, Without learning html, can I use like frontpage or dreamwaver? is it good or bad? the truth is now i seek a job and they need only web programmer. I am a C++ programmer already.

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    From a programmer's point of view, using Frontpage or Dreamweaver to be a web designer is BAD practice. Sure, you could probably do your job, but doing your job effectively should be your concern. Frontpage and Dreamweaver through a lot of "placement" code into your markup. In otherwords, you're doing everything from a graphical standpoint and for the editor to understand what you want, it has to add a lot of extra code to your pages.

    I can usually write the same page in pure markup/scripting languages that someone else can write with dreamweaver/frontpage using half the code or maybe less. That translates to speed when it comes to people using dialup connections.

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    I highly recommend learning Cascaded Style Sheets (CSS) when making pages. You can still use PHP (HTML and JavaScript too of course), but CSS is used for making templates for pages, so you can make lots of pages with the same visual effects.

    http://www.htmldog.com

    PHP is very useful for creating dynamic html.

    Has anyone ever thought of using PHP to create dynamic C++ code?
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    IMO, learning in Dreamweaver MX isn't a bad thing as long as you begin by developing from a code perspective only. It has a lot of nice features like syntax checking, syntax highlighting, built in references, attribute definition lists etc., that can be very useful to a newb web developer.

    However, if you only develop from the design view it can add a ton of extra code just like Ober said, and will probably confuse you even more when you flip back to the code view to see what is going on in the background. I use Dreamweaver MX all the time and I have been developing for the web for a long time, but I still would never consider using the design view to develop with unless I am creating a simple page with a single picture on it or something like that. I have to be in control of my own code.

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    I would say to stay away from WYSIWYG editors for now... at least until you learn more about the languages...
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    I have a question for everyone...how is he going to write php is he doesn't know html? PHP is used to output specific html to a page, it's a server side scripting language, it manipulates what html is sent to the client...so don't you think it'd be a good idea for him to know html first? I mean, it's not like it's neccessary or anything
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