GIF not drawing sometimes.

adrianxw · 03-18-2003, 05:35 AM

I have been merging my two websites and basically redoing a lot of the stuff. I have come across a funny little problem.

The top edge, bottom edge and the two side edges are frames. I have the frames set up to draw, and repeat, a tiny .GIF file in these borders. The .GIF is 16 x 1 pixels.

9 times out of 10 it works fine, but sometimes it "misses" one of the edges, (just draws a white rectangle). Usually only one edge is missing, and which, would seem to be random.

The corner pieces are also .GIF's but larger, 16 x 16. I've never seen these miss, and all the site contents draw fine, including some other small .GIF's used as vertical and horizontal dividers which are 24 x 1. I can make the edge .GIF's bigger of course, but I can't see why I should have to.

Any insights anyone? (IE 6, SP1 and other patches).

RoD · 03-18-2003, 05:39 AM

Are you hosting the site yourself, or through a company? Also, do you have a link so that we can see the problem for ourselves?

adrianxw · 03-18-2003, 05:45 AM

The two old sites were hosted and the hosts became a pain, so I have Apache running here now, but I don't need to publish the page to see the effect, simply opening the .html file with IE does it.

My firewall is not yet configured to pass http traffic so you can't come to the site yet, but next time it happens, I'll paste up a picture.

RoD · 03-18-2003, 05:49 AM

Ok, i have to go to class and junk now, if its not fixed before i get home i'll have a looksy.

**Hammer** · 03-18-2003, 06:57 AM

Try clearing your browsers cache, I've found similar problems even on this site (eg the envelope icons don't always display).

adrianxw · 03-18-2003, 08:03 AM

These two pictures show the effect.

adrianxw · 03-18-2003, 08:03 AM

... and ...

adrianxw · 03-18-2003, 08:05 AM

Notice both edge components using the small left edge .GIF are missing in the second. The top edge is drawn correctly. I have six different colour schemas, all show the same problem sometimes! Resizing does not cause the missing .GIF to appear, but press refresh and there it is.

Hammer: I'll try that.

ober · 03-18-2003, 08:37 AM

heh... I see your problem. You're not using Opera.

No, seriously.... that's weird. Is it just those gifs or is the rest of your display freaking out too?

Vber · 03-18-2003, 08:50 AM

Adrian, this happens always? this happens only in IE? did you try in Opera, Mozilla or another browser?

adrianxw · 03-18-2003, 09:51 AM

>>> Is it just those gifs or is the rest of your display freaking out too?

Just those 4 .GIF's everything else is fine. If you look at the pictures, the corner pieces, and the piece where the horizontal divider joins the edge are correct, they are .GIF's, the horizontal divider is also 24 x 1 .GIF repeated as many times as is necessary, that always works too. It is only the extreme edge pieces.

>>> Adrian, this happens always?

No. It happens about 1 in 10 draws.

>>> only in IE? did you try in Opera, Mozilla or another browser?

I only have IE, but if that is the problem, then I'll need to do it another way anyway. What is the point of a site which doesn't display right in one of the most popular browsers out there?

Govtcheez · 03-18-2003, 09:56 AM

> What is the point of a site which doesn't display right in one of the most popular browsers out there?

True, but make sure that your site doesn't *only* display correctly in IE, once you get it working. It's frustrating for those of us using other browsers to get goofy pages because someone decided to do something IE-only.

Vber · 03-18-2003, 10:05 AM

>>I only have IE, but if that is the problem, then I'll need to do it another way anyway. What is the point of a site which doesn't display right in one of the most popular browsers out there?
<<

That's not my point. I just want to understand if the problem is in the source code of your page, if it works in Mozilla, so it's problem in the source code, and without seeing him, I can't help you too much, maybe you could upload the file somewhere, where we can see the code.

>>True, but make sure that your site doesn't *only* display correctly in IE, once you get it working. It's frustrating for those of us using other browsers to get goofy pages because someone decided to do something IE-only.
<<

Well, to make a site 100% compatible with any browser that supports w3.org, easy, just develop him to Opera, and alone, all the site will work on ANY browser that works under w3. This is what I always do when I develop my sites, I like this way, haven't problem like, "your site don't work in mozilla blah blah".

adrianxw · 03-18-2003, 10:21 AM

Cheez:

Yeah, I know. Thing is, I would seem to be using bog standard stuff here, so it should work on any reasonably up to date browser, (frame enabled).

I think if I make the .GIF bigger, like the corner pieces which display correctly every time, the fault might disappear, but I'd like to know why that should be necessary.

Vber:

I'll see if I can put together a minimal page which shows the faults then zip the bits together and upload it.

**Hammer** · 03-18-2003, 10:27 AM

Why use frames? Why not tables? (design question, rather than solving your probem!)

03-18-2003, 05:35 AM	#1
adrianxw It's full of stars Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,833	GIF not drawing sometimes. I have been merging my two websites and basically redoing a lot of the stuff. I have come across a funny little problem. The top edge, bottom edge and the two side edges are frames. I have the frames set up to draw, and repeat, a tiny .GIF file in these borders. The .GIF is 16 x 1 pixels. 9 times out of 10 it works fine, but sometimes it "misses" one of the edges, (just draws a white rectangle). Usually only one edge is missing, and which, would seem to be random. The corner pieces are also .GIF's but larger, 16 x 16. I've never seen these miss, and all the site contents draw fine, including some other small .GIF's used as vertical and horizontal dividers which are 24 x 1. I can make the edge .GIF's bigger of course, but I can't see why I should have to. Any insights anyone? (IE 6, SP1 and other patches). __________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity unto the dream.
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03-18-2003, 05:39 AM	#2
RoD Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,334	Are you hosting the site yourself, or through a company? Also, do you have a link so that we can see the problem for ourselves?
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03-18-2003, 05:45 AM	#3
adrianxw It's full of stars Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,833	The two old sites were hosted and the hosts became a pain, so I have Apache running here now, but I don't need to publish the page to see the effect, simply opening the .html file with IE does it. My firewall is not yet configured to pass http traffic so you can't come to the site yet, but next time it happens, I'll paste up a picture. __________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity unto the dream.
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03-18-2003, 05:49 AM	#4
RoD Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,334	Ok, i have to go to class and junk now, if its not fixed before i get home i'll have a looksy.
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03-18-2003, 06:57 AM	#5
Hammer End Of Line Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,240	Try clearing your browsers cache, I've found similar problems even on this site (eg the envelope icons don't always display). __________________ When all else fails, read the instructions. If you're posting code, use code tags: [code] /* insert code here */ [/code]
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03-18-2003, 08:03 AM	#6
adrianxw It's full of stars Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,833	These two pictures show the effect. Attached Images __________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity unto the dream.
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03-18-2003, 08:03 AM	#7
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03-18-2003, 08:05 AM	#8
adrianxw It's full of stars Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,833	Notice both edge components using the small left edge .GIF are missing in the second. The top edge is drawn correctly. I have six different colour schemas, all show the same problem sometimes! Resizing does not cause the missing .GIF to appear, but press refresh and there it is. Hammer: I'll try that. __________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity unto the dream.
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03-18-2003, 08:37 AM	#9
ober 5\|-\|1+\|-\|34\|) Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,429	heh... I see your problem. You're not using Opera. No, seriously.... that's weird. Is it just those gifs or is the rest of your display freaking out too?
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03-18-2003, 08:50 AM	#10
Vber Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 807	Adrian, this happens always? this happens only in IE? did you try in Opera, Mozilla or another browser?
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03-18-2003, 09:51 AM	#11
adrianxw It's full of stars Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,833	>>> Is it just those gifs or is the rest of your display freaking out too? Just those 4 .GIF's everything else is fine. If you look at the pictures, the corner pieces, and the piece where the horizontal divider joins the edge are correct, they are .GIF's, the horizontal divider is also 24 x 1 .GIF repeated as many times as is necessary, that always works too. It is only the extreme edge pieces. >>> Adrian, this happens always? No. It happens about 1 in 10 draws. >>> only in IE? did you try in Opera, Mozilla or another browser? I only have IE, but if that is the problem, then I'll need to do it another way anyway. What is the point of a site which doesn't display right in one of the most popular browsers out there? __________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity unto the dream.
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03-18-2003, 09:56 AM	#12
Govtcheez Mayor of Awesometown Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MI Posts: 8,826	> What is the point of a site which doesn't display right in one of the most popular browsers out there? True, but make sure that your site doesn't only display correctly in IE, once you get it working. It's frustrating for those of us using other browsers to get goofy pages because someone decided to do something IE-only. __________________ -Govtcheez govtcheez03@hotmail.com
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03-18-2003, 10:05 AM	#13
Vber Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 807	>>I only have IE, but if that is the problem, then I'll need to do it another way anyway. What is the point of a site which doesn't display right in one of the most popular browsers out there? << That's not my point. I just want to understand if the problem is in the source code of your page, if it works in Mozilla, so it's problem in the source code, and without seeing him, I can't help you too much, maybe you could upload the file somewhere, where we can see the code. >>True, but make sure that your site doesn't only display correctly in IE, once you get it working. It's frustrating for those of us using other browsers to get goofy pages because someone decided to do something IE-only. << Well, to make a site 100% compatible with any browser that supports w3.org, easy, just develop him to Opera, and alone, all the site will work on ANY browser that works under w3. This is what I always do when I develop my sites, I like this way, haven't problem like, "your site don't work in mozilla blah blah".
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03-18-2003, 10:21 AM	#14
adrianxw It's full of stars Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,833	Cheez: Yeah, I know. Thing is, I would seem to be using bog standard stuff here, so it should work on any reasonably up to date browser, (frame enabled). I think if I make the .GIF bigger, like the corner pieces which display correctly every time, the fault might disappear, but I'd like to know why that should be necessary. Vber: I'll see if I can put together a minimal page which shows the faults then zip the bits together and upload it. __________________ Wave upon wave of demented avengers march cheerfully out of obscurity unto the dream.
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03-18-2003, 10:27 AM	#15
Hammer End Of Line Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 6,240	Why use frames? Why not tables? (design question, rather than solving your probem!) __________________ When all else fails, read the instructions. If you're posting code, use code tags: [code] /* insert code here */ [/code]
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