notice how all the AMD fanboys always tend to say clock speed doesnt matter, because AMD is always behind on clock speed....hmmm what a coinkidink:p
notice how all the AMD fanboys always tend to say clock speed doesnt matter, because AMD is always behind on clock speed....hmmm what a coinkidink:p
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Originally posted by stallion
i don't want to create enemies and i don't plan on doing it. but...you're wrong. tell me, do you overclock? well, i do. i am an accomplished overclocker. and i have an amd processor. sure, they generate more heat, but if you don't have the necessary cooling, you shouldn't overclock.
>> Intel chips can pass 3ghz already, amd can't. The first 3ghz P4 was done 2 days after the release of the P4. <<
you know, i get a kick out of this. didn't you read any above posts? speed doesn't matter!!!
it's proven that amd is better for multimedia (do you want to see numbers? i can post benchmark results if you like) and in most cases, integer/floating operations.
i knew this would turn into a heated debate, and amd guys aren't going to convert to Intel, and vice versa. so, let's try to keep this as civil as possible.
Yep i overclock, and also consider myself acomplished. Tell me this, how many cpu's have u worked with in this manner? Because 9 of the total 10 AMD processors i have overclocked have cracked, several of them with liquid cooling.
Speed does matter. And, not to hurt your feelings, so does size.
And benchmarks mean jack. New gforce's bench higher than Voodoo 5's, but do all of them out-perform it in everyday life? No, most don't. Same thing here, but as you said, neither are going to agree with the other.
>Intel is faster.<
In clock speed, for the most part: yes. In benchmarks and performance: *chuckles*
>Intel is more stable.<
Your opinion.
>Intel is more reliable.<
In some cases. In others, not.
>Intel holds up much better in overclocking situations.<
How so?
>Intel chips can pass 3ghz already, amd can't.<
Isn't the 3 GHz Intel chip an overclocked old one? :rolleyes:
>notice how all the AMD fanboys always tend to say clock speed doesnt matter, because AMD is always behind on clock speed....hmmm what a coinkidink<
If you were knowledgable in this area of computers, you wouldn't be calling us "coinkidinks"; you'd be calling youself one. Oh, and by the way, you're also childishly calling Intel a "coinkidink"; they agree with AMD that clockspeed isn't everything.
>>How so?Quote:
Originally posted by Hillbillie
>Intel is faster.<
In clock speed, for the most part: yes. In benchmarks and performance: *chuckles*
>Intel is more stable.<
Your opinion.
>Intel is more reliable.<
In some cases. In others, not.
>Intel holds up much better in overclocking situations.<
How so?
>Intel chips can pass 3ghz already, amd can't.<
Isn't the 3 GHz Intel chip an overclocked old one? :rolleyes:
>notice how all the AMD fanboys always tend to say clock speed doesnt matter, because AMD is always behind on clock speed....hmmm what a coinkidink<
If you were knowledgable in this area of computers, you wouldn't be calling us "coinkidinks"; you'd be calling youself one. Oh, and by the way, you're also childishly calling Intel a "coinkidink"; they agree with AMD that clockspeed isn't everything.
Well that one is simple to answer. The design of intel chips allow them to better handle heat and stress, whereas AMD chips, specially the K6 models, tend to "crack".
>>Isn't the 3 GHz Intel chip an overclocked old one? :rolleyes:
The 3ghz chip is two chips. The first was a P4 2.2GHZ Northwood that was done by tomshardware. The second is made by intel, but its not yet stable. THG's was stable due to extensive Liquid Cooling.
>Well that one is simple to answer. The design of intel chips allow them to better handle heat and stress, whereas AMD chips, specially the K6 models, tend to "crack".<
As long as you adequately cool the processor, you shouldn't see any problems. As for the K6: blah! :D Don't compare processors from the past. :p
Anyway, I've got an Athlon T-Bird 1330 @ 1500 (No, not a huge overclock...) with a HSF that is barely enough for a 1330...and the processor does fine. It never hangs up. It never gets above 50C even during things like CS.
And the newer Athlons (XPs) are a LOT better at preventing overheating. Not only do they have significantly lower temperatures than their T-Bird brothers, but they also make use of a feature that will shut off the motherboard if the temperature becomes dangerous.
I compared the K6 because its the most common, as P3 is with intel. I've never been able to push an AMD to almost twice its starting state, i believe the highest was a 333 K6 @ 400 and sumthing, i was, however, able to get my p3 500mhz to 925, which is a very significant amount of change imo.
about the "crack"ing, i assume you've built a computer? when you put the heatsink on...were you gentle? because the die of a cpu isn't supposed to withstand great amounts of force. i thought that was a give-in.
and about heat, sure amds get hotter, but if you have any knowledge of computers and what's necessary, then you need better cooling!
>> And benchmarks mean jack. <<
i just had to laugh when i read this. what do you think they make up numbers? or what? you think that they're partial to certain models/brands? they come up with hard numbers! you can't compare anything to that.
oh, and Hillbillie is absolutely correct here. the new TBred Bs are a lot cooler than previous intels. they're default vcore is about only 1.5v, where as amd is used to 1.75 or maybe more (if you overclock). and he's also right about mobos, like my epox, it has temperature warnings and shut down if too hot.
but your processor shouldnt get 10C close to that! that is, if you have proper cooling. with a good silver compount (asIII), and a fine heatsink with good air-flow, heat is not a problem.
if you want to keep that little generic intel heatsink on your cpu because it's fine cooling, then go right ahead. that's some quality product there :rolleyes:
>>because the die of a cpu isn't supposed to withstand great amounts of force. i thought that was a give-in.
No ****. I didn't push to hard 9 times, they got too hott when i really began to push them.
>>and about heat, sure amds get hotter, but if you have any knowledge of computers and what's necessary, then you need better cooling!
I have alot of knowledge, you can't get any ****ing cooler then Liquid Cooling.
>>i just had to laugh when i read this. what do you think they make up numbers? or what? you think that they're partial to certain models/brands? they come up with hard numbers! you can't compare anything to that.
I didn't say they made them up, i said in daily life, ACTUAL use of the product and how it performs there is more important and sure as hell more accurate to its quality then numbers. You can throw numbers all day long, but you gotta have the go to back it up, imo AMD doesn't, period.
Who said i kept the old HS? I have a custom Heatsink, i needed one for the LC'n, i also have 6 high-flow orb fans in the case. The EXACT same setup i used for all the AMDS, its the same damn parts, and guess what, my intel still works.Quote:
if you want to keep that little generic intel heatsink on your cpu because it's fine cooling, then go right ahead. that's some quality product there
Then why are you pitching the fact that intels chips run at a higher frequency? Benchmarks are an amazing way to show the performance of components. These numbers matter, those such as MHZ don't. The frequency of a chip gives you a relative idea of how well it can perform, but as this value rises... it gets harder to accuratly judge its performance.Quote:
I didn't say they made them up, i said in daily life, ACTUAL use of the product and how it performs there is more important and sure as hell more accurate to its quality then numbers.
If you would have read that link HB put up, you'd see that AMD isn't trying to push out chips with the highest frequency possible, they're trying to dispel the myth that mhz = performance.
Oh, and AMDs are cheaper :)
>>Oh, and AMDs are cheaper
can't argue that one.
cheaper materials, less research & development= cheaper price :p
Cheaper materials - 10% savings.
Low-grade research - 5% savings.
Less advertising - 50% savings.
The look on your wifes face when she married a pentium user.........PRICELESS!
hahha, they defianately spend less on advertisement, because they didnt realize that their slogan could be used in a really funny way-More like **** ME!Quote:
AMD me!