motherboard has 2 IDE socket?

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    motherboard has 2 IDE socket?

    ermm.... i just wan to confrim whether the IDE port (CD-rom) have 2 set available on motherboard. i'm trying the install the 2nd cd-rom on another IDE port. i dont wan to share IDE with the primary cd-rom. it's will make the burning process more faster.

    i hve asked from the sales computer. and he said in the world. all of the motherboard only have 1 IDE port. is that true?

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    yes, he is a complete idiot. My mother board has 4 IDE's.

    Go back and ask him for the latest in Modulation Demodulation technolgy.

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    reply!

    wow.. what's your brand of your motherboard.
    my motherboard is ASUS p4s333.
    ermm, you know how many IDE ports will be in my mboard?

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    Most, if not all, modern computers have four ide channels on two ports. I'd say chances are a P4 board will be able to use 4 ide devices.

    http://www.asus.com.tw/mb/socket478/p4s333/overview.htm

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    Actually, the correct terminology is to say that most modern motherboards support up to 4 ide devices (hd's, cdroms, etc.) on two ide channels (called Primary and Secondary). In other words, you can probably have two channels (cables) with a master and a slave device on each. This can usually be increased to four channels (eight devices) with an add on card.

    It has been debated before whether the arragement you suggest is recommended. I myself avoid having the hd and a cdrom/cdrw share a channel (cable). It can sometimes cause a severe performance problem. Having the cdrom and cdrw on separate channels should help with burning, but imaging to the hd and then burning to a cdrw on a different cable than the hd works about as well in my experience. Imaging only takes a few extra seconds, and is faster for multiple copies. The problem with having the hd and a cdrom is that apps like games that access the hd and cdrom more or less simultaneously can suffer stiff performance penalties.

    Also, I have seen hd/cdrom combinations that absolutely refuse to work on the same cable.

    It's basically a trade off, and depends on how you use your computer.

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    I got my fastest burning with my cdrw drive as a Seocndary Master with my other cdrom slaved to it and my two hard disks on their own cable.

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    Ride,
    That's about how mine's set up.
    HD primary master
    ls120 primary slave
    cdrom secondary master
    cdrw secondary slave

    If I copy a cd I always image to the hd first. Never have any problems that way. I put cdrom as master so I don't have problems with my old dos games wanting to run on the cdrw. Saves wear and tear that way. Cdrom drives are cheaper.

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    i have checked the IDE ports, i found that ASUS p4s333 only has 2 ISE, one for HD and one for CD-ROM?. then how about other addition IDE ports? i can found it.

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    I looked it up for you. The Asus p4s333 series has two ide ports (aka ide channels) and therefore will support up to four drives, two on each cable, one cable attached to each port. Transfer modes up to UDMA 100.

    If you need more than that SIIG inc. (and others) make pci cards that let you add four more drives for a maximum of eight which as I recall is the limit allowed for ide. Any more than that and you'll have to go scsi.

    Hope this clears it up for you.

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    ermmm, you mean that the speed is enough for me ? coz i have decided that 2 of the CDROM drive and CDRW drive should be connect in different IDE. so that, burning process should be more faster.

    can you explain about SCSI ? you mean, there's a way to connect the drive to another port? what materials should use?

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    SCSI (small computer system interface,pronounced scuzzy) is a different type of interface. You need an add in adaptor card and the drives need to be of the scsi type. It's not as popular as ide and generally more expensive, but performance is marginally better. I believe it supports a greater maximum number of devices (drives) than ide. I've never used it myself.

    I think you should be fine with the p4s333. As I have stated before in this thread, I'm not in favor of putting the cdrom and cdrw on separate ports (cables) because that forces a hd and a cdrom/cdrw to share a cable, but many people do and get along fine.

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    most of the m/board have more than 2 ide ports? that's mean my ASUSp4s333 is outdated?

    yeah, you are right on statements that IDE for HD can't share with the CDrom/CDRW. coz the ports is not the same!

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    No. The ports are exactly the same. Almost all modern motherboards have two ide ports=four drives (hd's, cdroms, cdrws, etc.). One cable for each port. Each cable attaches to the motherboard and up to two drives, one of which is set as master by jumpers on the drive, one set as slave.

    There are three 40 pin connectors on an ide cable, one on each end and one in the middle. The spacing of the connectors is such that you have a long end and a short end. The long end attaches to the motherboard. The middle connector attaches to the slave drive and the other attaches to the master drive. When you go to ide transfer modes higher than udma 33 you have to get special cables, but the connectors are the same. (Udma 66 and higher cables have 80 wires. Every other one is grounded. This forms a ground plain to reduce noise. But they use the same 40 pin connectors.)

    Hd's and cdrom/cdrw typically use the same type of interface, specifically ide. The cables are identical. They both use identical 40 pin connectors and the pin assignments are the same. It is possible for a hd and a cdrom/cdrw to share a port. I just don't like to for some technical reasons. There are some other types of interfaces (like scsi) but they aren't very common.

    Basically, you have a choice.

    Hd and one cd drive on one cable and other cd drive on the other cable.

    Or hd alone on one cable and both cd drives on the other.

    Each has advantages but I prefer the second arrangement.

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    Smile

    2nd arrangement ? seem the burning process is sure slow. but 1st arrangement will make the HD process sloow too..

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    >>2nd arrangement ? seem the burning process is sure slow.

    Which is why with the second arrangement you should create an image of the cd to be copied on the hd first. That will also avoid buffer under runs. Imaging to the hd doesn't take very long, and if you make multiple copies it actually saves time.

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