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    Cool Windows permissions? help

    Just got a new laptop with Windows 7 on it. :/ Of course it is on its way to dual-boot gentoo

    Anyway, I cannot not find the "Device Manager" via the Control Panel, even if I change the view to the classic "small icons". However, I can get it via CLI "devmgmt.msc". If I use the Start menu search, it is listed under Control Panel. It also shows up if I use the Control Panel search. Just it does not appear in that hierarchy otherwise.

    Is this some kind of security or dummy proofing thing? I don't want to "not see" other stuff for the same reason. I want like, the highest riskiest shoot your foot category, equivalent to linux root.

    While I'm here, are there any spiffier terminals for Windows, lol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    While I'm here, are there any spiffier terminals for Windows, lol?
    Powershell ?
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    Sounds neat (I'll look at that later), but I actually meant the superficial aspects of the emulator. I can live with the plain white on black, but I would like to configure the console font.
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    Start -> Right Click on Computer -> Properties -> Device Manager ?

    Start -> Control Panel -> Administrative tools -> Computer Management -> Device Manager ?
    Last edited by CommonTater; 11-23-2011 at 09:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
    Start -> Right Click on Computer -> Properties -> Device Manager
    That works. I'm inferring from this that they have simply removed Device Manager from being listed by default in the Control Panel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    That works. I'm inferring from this that they have simply removed Device Manager from being listed by default in the Control Panel?
    Yes... some laptop makers will do that so that "kiddies" don't go causing seriously strange problems for technicians.

    FWIW... if you're planning a dual boot your best bet is to go to the laptop manufacturer's site and get a copy of all the drivers (and none of the "bundle" garbage), blow win7 and the restore partition off and install your OS choices from a 100% clean hard drive. Most likely you've got Win7 Home Premium on it now... put in Win7 Professional, you'll be glad you did. It needs a minimum of 20gb space to install in it's own partition. Put your linux distro in it's own minimal partition then make the rest of the hard disk a shared files resource (as ntfs)... works like spit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
    FWIW... if you're planning a dual boot........ Put your linux distro in it's own minimal partition then make the rest of the hard disk a shared files resource (as ntfs)... works like spit!
    That is exactly what I have now..
    30 Gigs Windows Xp
    30 each for Arch and Fedora ...and the rest for a big ntfs storage area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manasij7479 View Post
    That is exactly what I have now..
    30 Gigs Windows Xp
    30 each for Arch and Fedora ...and the rest for a big ntfs storage area.
    LOL... it's how the smart people do it ... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    Of course it is on its way to dual-boot gentoo
    Declaring publicly that you're going to break Windows' license isn't a really good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GReaper View Post
    Declaring publicly that you're going to break Windows' license isn't a really good idea.
    Adding a second operating system doesn't violate Windows licensing (in North America, at least)...

    There are a few mom and pop companies that will void a warranty if you change the OS setup but they're fortunatly few and far between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GReaper View Post
    Declaring publicly that you're going to break Windows' license isn't a really good idea.
    WTF? Maybe we are not on the same page here? I'd bet the majority of cboard regs have a dual-boot windows/linux machine.

    It is not possible for Microsoft to tell you what you can and cannot do with hardware that they did not build. That's like saying that I am violating the copyright on a music CD by playing a different CD by a different artist on the same player.

    Perhaps, if I were a celebrity programmer, and had a deal whereby I had to wear my endorser's shoes all the time -- but I don't remember signing anything like that...and actually I'd be more scared of some big ass penguins come knocking, lol.

    If MS wanted to stop that, it would be pretty easy. They could just put in stuff to scan your HD at boot that goes "Meep meep, non NTFS drive detected! Auto-destruct sequence initialized!"

    Quote Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
    FWIW... if you're planning a dual boot your best bet is to go to the laptop manufacturer's site and get a copy of all the drivers (and none of the "bundle" garbage), blow win7 and the restore partition off and install your OS choices from a 100% clean hard drive. Most likely you've got Win7 Home Premium on it now... put in Win7 Professional, you'll be glad you did.
    Windows doesn't serve enough of a purpose for me to make that worthwhile; all my "Professional" activity is web-dev -- but I want to try and break out in the spring, so (depending where that leads) it might be more relevant then. Thanks for the tip!
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    If you are nuking your Windows, remember to use something (a utility, I forgot the name) to backup the activation. The serial number at the bottom of your laptop is not the same as what's in your running Windows, and using it apparently is a pain (need to call MS, etc).

    Recovery partition is totally useless. Can be safely nuked. Just install Windows from scratch (using the backed up activation). You won't want to recover anyways.

    I personally use large partition for Windows (Starcraft II alone takes up 10GB...), small partition for Linux, and no more space left because it's a SSD. I store all my files on an old file server running Linux, with snapshot backup and RAID-5.

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    If you're going to put the OS on a small partition make sure to give a fair amount of extra space for Windows 7 as the winsxs folder can get quite large after you install a lot of software and apparently there is still no safe way to clean it up. Even 30 GB might be pushing it and it can be a real pain in the A to go back and resize partitions to get a little extra space.

    Also, whether or not you have a ton of RAM, you're going to want to keep at least a small swap file on your Windows 7 drive as I've found totally removing it can cause problems in certain high memory application regardless of whether or not you have the RAM to handle it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
    ...It needs a minimum of 20gb space to install in it's own partition.
    Windows 7 does not require 20 GB. It needs around 7 GB to install, and consumes less than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    If you are nuking your Windows, remember to use something (a utility, I forgot the name) to backup the activation. The serial number at the bottom of your laptop is not the same as what's in your running Windows, and using it apparently is a pain (need to call MS, etc).

    Recovery partition is totally useless. Can be safely nuked. Just install Windows from scratch (using the backed up activation). You won't want to recover anyways.
    There's a toshiba tool for putting the recovery stuff onto DVD's and that's the first thing I did, yeah. I'm a little worried that is intended to return the whole drive to factory state, which would be a real pain if I had to do it. I've left the HDD recovery for now as I wanted to make sure everything was going to work out hardware-linux wise (or else return it within 15 days in original condition).

    The HD had four primary partitions to start with (pretty irritating). I didn't need to re-install windows tho; I used this:

    Free resize/move hard drive partition, enlarge/extend/shrink system partitions in Windows 2000/XP/Vista/Windows 7 and Windows Server 2000/2003/2008 - EaseUS Partition Master Manual

    To resize the biggest partition down to about 350 GB, leaving me 100 GB for linux (plenty) next to one of the hidden ones that contained language data (maybe this is extra in Canada because you have a choice of English and French at first boot?). So I deleted that with fdisk and created an ext4 primary partition, added "legacy" grub, etc. Everything seems to be fine. I don't need swap for linux as there is 4 GB of RAM and I generally don't use much more than 1/8th of that anyway.

    Very zany with the partitions tho. I don't know why they had to make them all primary. My last toshiba satellite is 7 or 8 years old and came with an XP re-install DVD and a single partition, so it was always very easy to reconfigure. Of course, it is also about twice the mass of the new one (and come to think of it, the satellite I had before that was twice the mass again, lol, but still one of my fav computers ever. Someone stole it at the airport ).
    Last edited by MK27; 11-25-2011 at 07:18 AM.
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    Current ISO draft standard
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    3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
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