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    Something other than Ubuntu

    I am sick of Ubuntu 11.04! It's really buggy and a pain in the ass. So i downloaded Slackware 13.37 and fedora core 5. But when i try to install either, they prompt me for a driver because i try and and select the dvd as the medium for the file/package installation but its not recognized.... Im confused as fvck! Cuz Ubuntu installs with ease! I know thats the way Ubuntu is supposed to be but whats up with slackware and fedora?

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    Ask on their forum?

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    I hope that fedora 5 mention is actually Fedora 15. You may also want to try Pclinuxos.

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    but whats up with slackware and fedora?
    Err... I didn't find anything confusing in the Fedora setup....the steps are pretty analogous to Ubuntu.
    And It does not seem that Fedora Core 5 is Fedora 15
    Why you suddenly downloaded something from 2006 is beyond me.

    Slackware....maybe you shouldn't even look at that direction now...(unless of course you want to be your package manager!)
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    Err... I didn't find anything confusing in the Fedora setup....the steps are pretty analogous to Ubuntu.
    And It does not seem that Fedora Core 5 is Fedora 15
    Why you suddenly downloaded something from 2006 is beyond me.

    Slackware....maybe you shouldn't even look at that direction now...(unless of course you want to be your package manager!)
    Thats what i thought about Fedoras setup. I remember installing Fedora 2 years back and it was easy and fast. I guess because i installed fedora core 5. I made the mistake thinking that Fedora Core 6 was the latest up-to-date release of the core version of fedora. Maybe thats why i am having trouble lol

    But i have been using linux for quite sometime. Ubuntu should i say, but i am always on the command line for everything. I enjoy a great deal! I install packages from tarballs and bz2 files. I'd like to give slackware a try! I dont look at it as a, "Man this is gonna suck because i have to manage my own packages and do everything manually.". But i look at it as fun. I already do that now anyway man. Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu is awesome for its ease of use!!

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    I hope that fedora 5 mention is actually Fedora 15. You may also want to try Pclinuxos.

    Jim
    No Jim, i meant Fedora Core 5 lol At times i am slow. Well probably most of the time. But what ever. I have tried PCLinux. It was the first open source OS i ever used. I want something more! Something besides Ubuntu, more of a challenge! And this 11.04 has so many bugs! Honestly its getting on my effing nerves!!

    I think ill head to the Slackware forum and figure it out there. I just asked here because i am comfortable with everyone here, as i know your skill levels are far beyond capable. I also trust your advice and knowledge. But thanks for the responses
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    I install packages from tarballs and bz2 files
    Installing packages from source and full package management for every new package update are not the same thing, you're welcome to try, but you'd get tired eventually .
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    What about the ubuntu 10.04 LTS version?
    Version 11 is pretty hard on lower spec machines with the new graphical interface.

    Are you trying to install off CD or DVD?

    If the driver you want isn't on the CD, could you pre-download it onto a thumb drive?

    Also check out DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.
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    I have thought about 10.10 Salem, rather than 10.04. I like the way 10.10 has the drop done menu. Fo some reason its easier to use and more convenient. I downloaded the iso and burned the image to a dvd and i didnt thinnk of using a thumb drive to store the necissary driver, like i said im slow ha

    Manaasij7479

    Installing packages from source and full package management for every new package update are not the same thing, you're welcome to try, but you'd get tired eventually .
    Yeah i know i was trying to make a point but i guess i did a bad job huh. I don't know why your trying to discourage me tho.

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    My suggestion is debian. They have a goal that all their releases are stable, although this means that not all software in their packet manager is the latest version.

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    I don't know why your trying to discourage me tho.
    I am trying to make you get more familiar with how a Linux system works.
    If you try Slackware now, without much idea about what could go wrong if you do something erratically, you're going to move away from linux saying that it does not work or worse.
    So, your best bet would be to install an up to date distro which will give you a good experience.
    <Install Ubuntu's 11.10 ..(which runs great even on my netbook)... or Fedora 15(with XFCE or some WM..if looking for performance ) ...and you'll be fine for now>
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    I am trying to make you get more familiar with how a Linux system works.
    I might not be the best with linux but i am pretty familiar with how the system works!Ive been using it for 4 or so years, give or take. I started with PCLinuxOS when i didnt even know what an ISO was, how to burn one, or boot off one lol
    If you try Slackware now, without much idea about what could go wrong if you do something erratically, you're going to move away from Linux saying that it does not work or worse.
    Well how else am I going to learn if slackware is to much for me or if i like it nor not lol Certainly not by listening to you haha Maybe i should Google it? I think the best way to find out is to do it yourself and try it!!!! Im not a from-the-sidelines kind of guy Manasij.

    So, your best bet would be to install an up to date distro which will give you a good experience.
    <Install Ubuntu's 11.10 ..(which runs great even on my netbook)... or Fedora 15(with XFCE or some WM..if looking for performance ) ...and you'll be fine for now>
    Maybe you havent been reading my posts but i said i am trying to ive away from linux and find something more challenging. Also, that this version, 11.04 is giving me trouble. So why go further down the line of unstableness, and download 11.10? I will most likely make a move towards Debian like Shakti suggested. Even downgrade like Salm suggested. Anything besides this crappy 11.04!!!!! I have came close to throwing my laptop out of the window lol

    But for some reason, i am mildly offended Manasij7479 lol Yeah act like im fresh in, day 1 or something lol Maybe im just being a little to touchy

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    I will most likely make a move towards Debian like Shakti suggested. Even downgrade like Salm suggested.
    FWIW, I moved away from Ubuntu after 11.04 as well and my experience with Linux Mint since then has been pretty good.
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    So why go further down the line of unstableness, and download 11.10
    It doesn't work that way.... In 11.10, most of the bugs that were introduced in 11.04, due to unity, is fixed....and unity is actually usable.

    Well how else am I going to learn if slackware is to much for me or if i like it nor not lol Certainly not by listening to you haha Maybe i should Google it? I think the best way to find out is to do it yourself and try it!!!! Im not a from-the-sidelines kind of guy Manasij.
    Well, you could always follow the normal procedure, and go step by step, instead of jumping from Ubuntu to Slackware !
    You can learn the same things on all other distros.

    Maybe you havent been reading my posts but i said i am trying to ive away from linux and find something more challenging.
    Well, all the places you are move to are other linux distros. HAve to got the idea that only Ubuntu is linux ?

    But for some reason, i am mildly offended Manasij7479 lol Yeah act like im fresh in, day 1 or something lol Maybe im just being a little to touchy
    Day 1 or day 10000 doesn't matter.... you certainly can try using Slackware and see if I'm correct. Bet you'll be out within a month, if not a week.

    I will most likely make a move towards Debian like Shakti suggested.
    Good idea..

    P.S: I'm using linux for about 3.5 years too...and started from the same place you did.
    I am now...(for a week) an Arch Linux user.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annonymous View Post
    No Jim, i meant Fedora Core 5
    Okay, and hopefully you are aware of this?

    Fedora (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Fedora Core 5 came out in 2006. After Fedora Core 6, they dropped the term "Core"; since then there has been fedora 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and 15; 16 is due out next month.

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    Yeah i know i was trying to make a point but i guess i did a bad job huh. I don't know why your trying to discourage me tho.
    If you are used to building stuff from source, I'd recommend gentoo.

    I've been a linux user for more than a decade; up until recently, my preferred distro was fedora. When I went to upgrade from 14 to 15, I learned about systemd, the "hot new" init daemon for linux. On fedora it replaces upstart, which replaced the old System V init that linux started out with. Ubuntu has/is following a similar path.

    I am still dubious as to what was wrong with System V and I never thought upstart was any improvement. It was also poorly documented and slightly incompatible with System V, which the developers tried to minimize the significance of. So now they are replacing one piece of crap with...what...something on the same downhill path? Yippee!

    There have been similiar shenanigans with the system logger. I think it is fine that people want to develop alternatives for things, but AFAICT all the redhat and debian derived distros (ubuntu, fedora, et. al.) do not present them as alternatives: they present them as replacements, and package a system incompatible with anything else. Ie, they leave you with NO CHOICES. I'm very dubious of this; I've also seen it asserted that the developers of some of this stuff are fedora or debian maintainers who (quite possibly) are railroading their own software into wide distribution. Not sure if this is my idea of how the linux community should operate.

    So I decided to give gentoo a try. I would not recommend it as a first distro for someone who has never used linux, but it is now far and away my favourite. There is much more freedom, and a much greater sense of openness; the people involved seem to make it a habit of explaining how and what they are doing (something which too often looks like an afterthought w/ debian- and redhat- derived products). Choices and honesty! I like that. And the source build system works really well. Very very impressive gentoo is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shakti View Post
    My suggestion is debian. They have a goal that all their releases are stable, although this means that not all software in their packet manager is the latest version.
    Meh. I've used debian on and off since version 2.0. If you don't like ubuntu, it is basically the same system, put together by many of the same people, but with less effort. Having stable releases is a noble but chimeric goal, since as we all know, there is no such thing as "bug free" software. Further, the reality of it is that they do not have the manpower to realize their vision: debian will hold releases back because of spelling mistakes, but AFAICT they do not have anywhere near the number of volunteers required to keep up with their own demands. This leaves "stable" packages stuck sometimes several years behind the current source release. Presuming much of the updates between the two were bug fixes, this means debian is actually a less stable, less well maintained distro than many others. That jibes with my experience; I certainly do not think debian has anything up on anyone, quality wise.
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    I'm using Xubuntu because I prefer a stripped down UI.

    Linux Mint is also nice.

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