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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    I believe the opposite is actually true nowadays.

    There is an almost 3 times price difference, and all reviews suggest that the Intel chip is much much faster, at a lower TDP of 95W vs AMD's 125W. The difference in thermal efficiency also makes overclocking Intel CPUs a lot easier, if you are into that.
    Not fair. You are trying to compare chips that cost as much as the laptop itself... things are a little different when you get down to entry level and mobile chips like you find in lower priced laptops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Well, maybe instead of arguing the point here... this is very contradictory to what is commonly known today (whether that common knowledge is true or not I shall not speculate).
    Perhaps you might back up these claims? I would be interested to know.
    One thing I know for sure is that cost-per-performance goes to AMD.
    It's based on experience... sell a few hundred computers and you start to realize a few things that are "claimed" and even "common knowlege" simply aren't what they say they are. I can give you a whole lot more "bang for the buck" with AMD any time day or night.

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    Experience? That seems kinda weird since it contradicts benchmarks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Experience? That seems kinda weird since it contradicts benchmarks.
    Ok you win....

    (But it doesn't change the facts...)

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    I agree. It doesn't change the facts. But since there is no proof, we can't really say what the facts are.
    We can only assume from what we've seen, and from what we've seen from benchmarks and the like, AMD lags behind in both battery and performance to its Intel counterpart. Nevertheless, AMD is much cheaper than Intel.
    Well, at least on a machine level.
    (I'd love to be proven wrong, though.)
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    Not fair. You are trying to compare chips that cost as much as the laptop itself... things are a little different when you get down to entry level and mobile chips like you find in lower priced laptops.
    Lower end chips are just lower clocked/binned versions of those chips. The relationships will still hold at lower end, since they are still the same architectures.

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    Don't want to break the party, :P but how do I disable the swap files ? And should I do it with 3gb of RAM ?

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    I wouldn't recommend it with 3 GB of RAM, but just for reference...
    Goto system -> advanced system settings -> settings under performance -> advanced tab -> change under virtual memory.
    Untick "automatically manage...".
    Select the drive you want to disable the page file on.
    Select no paging file, then select.
    Repeat for every drive you want to disable page file on, then click OK and close all the dialogs to get out of there.
    You're done.
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    Unless you are really tight on space, and want to reclaim the reserved space, you really shouldn't need to, though.

    If you have enough RAM, the swap/pagefile won't be used (much) anyways. It just provides a safety net.

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    Oh, and btw, consider that if you don't have a pagefile and your system crashes, then you can't get any crashdumps.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zakiuz View Post
    Don't want to break the party, :P but how do I disable the swap files ? And should I do it with 3gb of RAM ?
    3gb of ram is plenty for a 32 bit OS... but I wouldn't try it with a 64 bit os.

    Disabling swap files is pretty easy in windows...

    Control Panel -> System -> Advanced System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Performance Settings -> Advanced ->
    Virtual Memory -> Change -> uncheck Automatically Manage Memory -> select No Paging File for each drive ->
    Ok your way out -> Restart your computer.

    Yes it's buried in there pretty deep... and for good reason.

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    It's hardly plenty, and I already mentioned how to disable it. Did you miss that?
    As soon as you start open programs, you may find yourself in a pinch.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
    The AMD vs Intel debate for CPUs has been ongoing for a couple of decades now... Plain truth... a dual core AMD will outrun a dual core Intel (with hyperthreading enabled) at the same clock speeds... not by a whole lot, but it will be faster.
    So did you hear how the brand new 8-core AMD Bulldozer at 3.4 gHz got it's ass handed to it by the i7 2500k and i7 2600k which both cost less and run at 3.4 and 3.3 gHz, and has half as many cores as well.

    AnandTech - The Bulldozer Review: AMD FX-8150 Tested

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    You can't compare the number of cores on the bulldozer like that. All the cores in the i7 are full-fledges cores, so to speak. They can all stand on their own.
    The bulldozer clusters two cores into one bulldozer core, since the two cores share pipeline and some units such as the FPU. So they cannot stand on their own. It's simply a new architecture that puts more emphasis on the number of logic cores, while putting a little less on things such as the FPU and pipeline.

    Btw, the bulldozer reminds me of Vista. An unpolished jewel. Let's hope it can compete better with Intel in the future.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    That sounds a lot like hyperthreading to me, except with a little more duplicated stuff.

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