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    OP: HP System Recovery in Windows 7

    Open that program, and instead of starting the recovery process, click the button that says "Recovery Disc Creation", and after creating them, click "Remove Recovery Partition."

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    I laugh at people who think that 30 GB is enough for Windows (well, at least if you count applications too). Install some programs, and don't reinstall the OS for some years and we'll see if it's enough! My system partition is currently at ~40 GB.
    Also, I don't think the OS needs to be on C. Not sure on this one, but I believe it can appear on other drives. Windows do need to install some boot files to the system partition, though. Otherwise you can't boot!
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I laugh at people who think that 30 GB is enough for Windows (well, at least if you count applications too). Install some programs, and don't reinstall the OS for some years and we'll see if it's enough! My system partition is currently at ~40 GB.
    Also, I don't think the OS needs to be on C. Not sure on this one, but I believe it can appear on other drives. Windows do need to install some boot files to the system partition, though. Otherwise you can't boot!
    LOL... I ran XP in a 10gig partition for nearly a decade on a single install.

    I'm presently running Win7 in a 16 gig partition, with the SDK, Office and a whole whack of freeware installed... I have 9 gigs free.

    But there's a secret to this... No swap file. No automatic updates. No restore points. All data on a second partition... without these, Windows will stay whatever size it's installed at.
    (And yes my system is up to date, done manually)

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    I haven't checked the topic recently, because I have been exciting with my new notebook. Sorry.

    I think you are wrong about the SYSTEM partition. I've deleted it (along with C: ), created 1 primary and 1 extended partition and Windows didn't create the SYSTEM partition on install (there was total number of primary partitions). I've read it contains recovery files and is optionally created and I indeed can't see it anymore.

    About the recovery partitions, I know about this HP dedicated software and even downloaded it, but it didn't work (the system complained about missing DLLs, moreover, Win 7 Pro wasn't in the supported OS list). I've imagined all the partitions with clonezilla (about 16 GB).

    My problem was that 64-bit version is on recovery partition and 32-bit OS on DVD. Seems strange to me though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I laugh at people who think that 30 GB is enough for Windows (well, at least if you count applications too). Install some programs, and don't reinstall the OS for some years and we'll see if it's enough! My system partition is currently at ~40 GB.
    Also, I don't think the OS needs to be on C. Not sure on this one, but I believe it can appear on other drives. Windows do need to install some boot files to the system partition, though. Otherwise you can't boot!
    I have got a computer which has C: of 10 GB, XP Home (with all the updates) installed and quite a lot of software on this partition (Office, Codecs, Readers, Antivir etc). It has been running for a couple of years now.
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    Oh yes, this only applies to Vista and 7, not XP. XP won't swell in size like this.
    My Windows directory is currently at 18 GB. Add that to a pagefile (3 GB), hibernation file (3 GB oddly enough and not 4 GB). Now add some software such as Visual Studio, Office, some SDKs, and you've got another 6 GB. That's 30 GB total.
    This doesn't count files stored in other locations which also eat up space.

    Also, Windows will have installed files on the primary partition whether or not you installed it there.
    Also, beware of a lot of codecs. Don't use codec packs. Use CCCP only.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Oh yes, this only applies to Vista and 7, not XP. XP won't swell in size like this.
    My Windows directory is currently at 18 GB. Add that to a pagefile (3 GB), hibernation file (3 GB oddly enough and not 4 GB). Now add some software such as Visual Studio, Office, some SDKs, and you've got another 6 GB. That's 30 GB total.
    This doesn't count files stored in other locations which also eat up space.

    Also, Windows will have installed files on the primary partition whether or not you installed it there.
    Also, beware of a lot of codecs. Don't use codec packs. Use CCCP only.
    Actually, Elysia, XP swole up worse than Win7... The original "automatic update" system used actually created 3 copies of each update... The one in use, an MSI file as a backup for restore points, an MSI file as a plain backup... So every 10K update actually added more than 30K to the OS space usage... Now figure there were thousands of updates to XP... Now, if that wasn't bad enough each of the 20mb + service packs were also stored the same way.

    My win7 Professional Windows folder is presently just a hair under 8gb... I'm almost scared to ask where the other 10gb on yours came from.

    I have the perfect answer to codecs... Media Player Classic - Home Cinema - Video Player just over 6 mb, everything installed right into the EXE file... No Codecs... Windows Media Player is disabled.
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    I have no idea how an XP system could eat more than a Vista/7 system, because that's just ... impossible. And I never really do apply Windows Updates. Only drivers and updates for other programs.
    Also, you know that Media Player Classic relies on DirectShow? Yes, that means codecs. *shrug* Anyway, for your favorite DirectShow-based player, all you need is CCCP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I have no idea how an XP system could eat more than a Vista/7 system, because that's just ... impossible. And I never really do apply Windows Updates. Only drivers and updates for other programs.
    Also, you know that Media Player Classic relies on DirectShow? Yes, that means codecs. *shrug* Anyway, for your favorite DirectShow-based player, all you need is CCCP.
    No XP never got bigger than Vista by simple byte counts... but if you look at it as a percentage of expansion, XP would often end up 3 to 5 times bigger than it needed to be. I used to have batch files here that would go through and remove all the redundent files and trim it back down.

    I even went after a copy of XP Professional with NLite ( nLite - Deployment Tool for the bootable Unattended Windows installation ) at one point and got it to run in under 800k... without sacrificing essential features. Basically I pulled out the Media Center, Media Player, unnecessary drivers and language packs, then integrated specific drivers for the target machine. Works great on my Aspire One...

    You wanna shrink Vista or 7 ... try VLite ( vLite - Windows Vista configuration tool ) It's no longer supported but it does work... take out Media Center, Windows Media Player, Speech Recognition, Windows Natural Language Search and the language packs... you can get it to run in about 1.5gb.

    On the media players thing...
    Yes, MPClassic, the old one currently at version 6.4.1 (I believe) did use direct show codecs.

    Media Player Classic Home Cinema is a whole separate animal (despite similar appearance) currenly at version 1.4.2824.0 and it has all the codecs built right in. Yes it uses Direct Show and Direct sound for it's *outputs* but it's routing it through internal codecs... For example, when I put in only the EXE from MPC-HC I can play Matroska and Flac files which Windows media player can't (no codecs)...

    There's an interesting story behind that... Gabest the original developer was tired of the project, apparently struggling to take it to the next logical step. The group on the Doom9 forums approached him, got the source code and ran with it... So it's now an open source project with all the benefits and foibles that implies. Check their support pages (linked from the homepage I gave you) ... the whole thing is there, you can even browse the source.
    Last edited by CommonTater; 01-15-2011 at 07:58 AM.

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