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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight View Post
    source server o.o? Any explaination to that? Like, do you get a server where you can save your source, and others in the team(if you have one) can just download and upload to it o.o?
    Yes, that's the idea of a source server. To get several people working on the same source.

    If that's it, then it's the ultimate team working benefit, or something! And I've been looking for such a thing for quite sometime xP but I guess it's not in the express version?
    Unfortunately, no.
    It's in Team Server Edition or something like that. Verrrrrrrrrry expensive stuff :/
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    Damn mass money making bastards >.> Anyone have any other place where this is possible?
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    It's aimed at companies, so of course it's expensive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight
    Anyone have any other place where this is possible?
    Where what is possible?
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    Yeah I know, still, Microsoft doesn't need the money D: meh, it'd be awsome to have something like that, 'cause sending source code through Instant Messengers or bad free upload sites, is extremely frusterating >.>

    EDIT: To upload source code, and others of a team can download and upload easily and stuff...
    Last edited by Akkernight; 01-30-2009 at 02:52 AM. Reason: typos, typos, typos
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    That's what subversion is for. Kinda.
    How to get a subversion server, I do not know, but I do know of clients that use it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    subversion o.O? wut the hell is this? Where do I get info about this? Off to Google!
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    I think Elysia is referring to the source control system that is included in the more advanced versions of Visual Studio: SourceSafe.

    A version control system is an excellent way to keep track of what you've been doing with the source code - and getting back to a working version when you messed up.

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    Ah, Mats probably knows more specifics about this than I. I have never used any of it.
    Wonder if VS works with subversion?
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Read about subversion, and know I know of it It's svn, right? Used turtoiseSVN kinda much Imma get to that this weekend ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akkernight
    To upload source code, and others of a team can download and upload easily and stuff.
    If it was so simple, it would be a scam since any server would do. Looking at this article that claims that Source Server Helps You Kill Bugs Dead In Visual Studio 2005*, it apparently works with version control, and one of the aims is to coordinate the task of debugging among different developers.

    * heh, the title makes it seem as if you should use Source Server to debug bugs in Visual Studio 2005 that should have already been fixed by the developers

    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia
    That's what subversion is for. Kinda.
    How to get a subversion server, I do not know, but I do know of clients that use it.
    No, the rough equivalent of Subversion offered by Microsoft is Visual Source Safe, not Source Server, and from what I understand Visual Source Safe does not keep your source safe (as in it is known for data corruption). Personally, I use Bazaar

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    Wonder if VS works with subversion?
    Yes, it does, but I was not satisfied with the plugin.
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    Bazaar o.O? I've heard that name... Off to Google again! xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    from what I understand Visual Source Safe does not keep your source safe (as in it is known for data corruption).
    I have currently projects that are still stored in SS (From VS6.0 Enterprise) more than 10 years long. I'm not familiar with any data loss in my firm due to usage of SS. And I'm sure - if some loss would occure in the past all the projects were moved to some alternative vesion control system

    Currently all new projects are managed with ClearCase that is a lot more advanced than SS and has its own drawbacks due to complexity and performance issues.

    I'm aware of several projects arond the firm that are trying different version control systems. So far no one of them is accepted as a mainstream version control database
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    SourceSafe is fine if you have a local server. Where I worked about 5 years back, they had problems when an office in the US got connected to the SourceSafe server in the UK - apparently, it doesn't have very good safety on the packets.

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