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    Formatting the drive won't fix bad sectors. It only makes it worse if anything. The only thing that can cure bad sectors is a new drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    Formatting the drive won't fix bad sectors. It only makes it worse if anything. The only thing that can cure bad sectors is a new drive.
    Yeah, I thought you need to do a low level format if you want to reset the bad sectors... But that won't fix the drive, it'll just wipe it clean and most likely void the warranty.

    Since it's still under warranty, just tell them to replace it.
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    Many thanks to all of you, I will call Dell as soon as I get home (which is not likely until at least tonight, there's a pretty big snowstorm and I don't want to drive in these condititions).

    I'll keep you guys informed !

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    You can specify a flag to fix bad sectors or attempt to fix them in the format command. Granted you will have to drop out to a DOS session to do it but formatting through the crappy Disk management tool in Windows is severely limited.

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    It's still under warranty, why not just send it back? It's their responsibility to fix it, not yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Windows 7 does wonders for startup, so grab it once the beta's out is another suggestion by me
    (Off topic...)

    I saw a presentation about this at WinHEC. They've shortened startup time by starting more than one service in parallel. Seems obvious, but I guess they had to unweave a bunch of dependencies between various basic services in order to make it work.

    I'm not really a Microsoft fan, but I think they're doing some good stuff in Win7. I've been running it about a month now and don't have any complaints.
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    //{
    	if (a) do { f( b); } while(1);
    	else   do { f(!b); } while(1);
    //}

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    > I'm not really a Microsoft fan, but I think they're doing some good stuff in Win7. I've been running it about a month now and don't have any complaints.
    That's a very good idea, especially with quad-core CPUs and that out.

    You're probably running Beta? Is it unstable in any regard?

    I know that DX11 is supposed to come out with Win7, is it going to be only for Win7? Like DX10 was for Vista?

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    Starting services in parallel sounds nice. I don't think Linux has it yet, either (not sure on that). Does indeed sound obvious with all the multi-core CPUs available now, though, but I thought most of the time in starting services is in disk I/O anyways... so not sure how much gain it will give.

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    If Windows 7 isn't even in Beta yet, where did you get it?
    If you have a link to an official download site, I might give it a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brewbuck View Post
    (Off topic...)

    I saw a presentation about this at WinHEC. They've shortened startup time by starting more than one service in parallel. Seems obvious, but I guess they had to unweave a bunch of dependencies between various basic services in order to make it work.

    I'm not really a Microsoft fan, but I think they're doing some good stuff in Win7. I've been running it about a month now and don't have any complaints.
    They also removed a lot of services from startup. Now they are starting on demand or delayed start, so as to not make the OS sluggish at startup.

    Quote Originally Posted by zacs7 View Post
    > I'm not really a Microsoft fan, but I think they're doing some good stuff in Win7. I've been running it about a month now and don't have any complaints.
    That's a very good idea, especially with quad-core CPUs and that out.
    Oh yes, they optimized the OS to scale to 256 or so cores.

    You're probably running Beta? Is it unstable in any regard?
    Beta is not out yet. But it will be soon. These are pre-beta builds.
    Yes, they have some bugs and such, but once you learn how to handle them, it is pretty stable.

    I know that DX11 is supposed to come out with Win7, is it going to be only for Win7? Like DX10 was for Vista?
    I believe it will be available for Vista, as well. The reason DX10 was Vista-only was because it was built to take advantage of the revamped graphics subsystem.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    If Windows 7 isn't even in Beta yet, where did you get it?
    If you have a link to an official download site, I might give it a try.
    The beta is not out yet, but will be in January, word is. The pre-beta could have been acquired at PDC. Otherwise there are only non-legal copies floating around.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    They also removed a lot of services from startup. Now they are starting on demand or delayed start, so as to not make the OS sluggish at startup.
    I saw one such software to delay startup programs on Windows XP not by MS but by some guy.The s/w is named delayexec,IIRC.
    I don't know if it works for services though.
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    And programs start blazingly fast now, as well. I can attone to that, since I typically launch Excel, Word, Outlook, Resource Monitor, Process Explorer and Firefox in one sweep. Most of them start up instantly, and have little impact on the system stability.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    And programs start blazingly fast now, as well. I can attone to that, since I typically launch Excel, Word, Outlook, Resource Monitor, Process Explorer and Firefox in one sweep. Most of them start up instantly, and have little impact on the system stability.
    Even on single-core CPUs?

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    Dual-core. Still, you cannot do that on XP or Vista, can you? Not that I tested on XP, but I would never think it possible on Vista.
    I do not own a single core, so I cannot test or vote for that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    The beta is not out yet, but will be in January, word is. The pre-beta could have been acquired at PDC. Otherwise there are only non-legal copies floating around.
    I don't know if they handed them out at PDC, but they were giving them out at WinHEC. Along with Server 2008 R2.
    Code:
    //try
    //{
    	if (a) do { f( b); } while(1);
    	else   do { f(!b); } while(1);
    //}

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