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    > IBM no longer makes laptops. Lenovo has taken over.
    You mean, they stopped making IBM badges for laptops

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    The macbook air looks very nice...

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    Acer laptops always come first for me I dunno if you people have technical reason why not to buy Acer and I don't really care :P
    Acer laptops don't fail, are cheap enough, perfect for study and work(lightweight work)
    Well, I live in Europe and one of the most expensive parts of it :P (I havn't confirmed that, but it must be close) and Acer laptops have everything needed at low cost
    This one I'm using now doesn't support shaders, I think :P But it ain't made for games
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    Except any half decent IBM laptop will cost >$1000, and you can get the same stuff with other brands for <$800.
    Wrong, you can get the same amount of RAM, CPU speed and HDD space and so on. What you CAN'T get is the same high strength titanium composite case, best keyboard around (Note, i didn't say notebook keyboard), an accelerometer to keep the needle of the HDD during free fall and tons of other stuff. The build quality is just soooo much better then ANY other brand out there, a Thinkpad will generally outlast the galaxy it was manufactured in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post
    best keyboard around (Note, i didn't say notebook keyboard), an accelerometer to keep the needle of the HDD during free fall and tons of other stuff.
    Bleh... you're talking about the ThinkPad? I don't see why people make such a big deal about it... they issue ThinkPads out in work and I personally prefer the keyboard on my own notebook than the ThinkPad's. It may have a more desktop like layout but I can't stand the short arrow keys and the height of the whole thing just doesn't feel right on a laptop.

    Secondly... the durability features are only useful if you are careless with your laptop. I've have several laptops over the span of about 8 years now and I use them constantly however I've yet to drop a laptop from any kind of height and I've never had a component fail on me with the exception of a Hitatchi hard drive that I once purchased for a laptop. To me spending the extra money for a ThinkPad only for the purpose of its durability is a waste of money if you're careful. It's like buying flood insurance in Arizona.

    On a side note: I don't think the OP has looked at this thread since s/he created it. So we're really just talking amongst ourselves here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    Secondly... the durability features are only useful if you are careless with your laptop. I've have several laptops over the span of about 8 years now and I use them constantly however I've yet to drop a laptop from any kind of height and I've never had a component fail on me with the exception of a Hitatchi hard drive that I once purchased for a laptop. To me spending the extra money for a ThinkPad only for the purpose of its durability is a waste of money if you're careful. It's like buying flood insurance in Arizona.
    I've been using mine at school, all my classmates uses one of those Targus notebook-bags, next to their other bags. My T30 is 14,1", it's not much bigger than my math book, and i can just stuff it in my backpack with my other stuff, and never have to think twice about whether it will cope. You say you have one laptop at home, and one a work, so how often do you really travel with it? I'm not surprised you don't find the added durabillity useful, if you are using a ThinkPad as a desktop replacement.

    As for the keyboard, it's widely recognized as being the best laptop keyboard ever, personally, i don't know of any desktop keyboard that is better, but ofcourse, it's a subjective matter.
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    I have a 12" HP tablet PC and I can put it in my backpack easily, too. I travel with it to and from school everyday. The keyboard I am satisfied, too, but I don't do much typing on it anyways. I have found no laptop keyboard to be as good as a desktop one, as they all lack the depth.

    Granted it only has a 2.2ghz AMD dual core, and is without a video card (just like any other 12"), it's $900, and has fingerprint reader, bluetooth, 250 GB HD, active digitizer, etc.

    I am not saying all of the IBM durability stuff is marketing hype, but how practical is it to be paying a few hundreds bucks for it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post
    You say you have one laptop at home, and one a work, so how often do you really travel with it? I'm not surprised you don't find the added durabillity useful, if you are using a ThinkPad as a desktop replacement.
    I'm on an airplane with both I'd say once every few months. I bring the work laptop from home to work every day. The home laptop I travel with by car maybe 3-4 times a week. For years I was bringing a notebook to and from classes a few times a day. I don't know... I just don't drop things when I have possession of them. Never dropped a laptop, never dropped a hand-held console... I've dropped my phone a few times. My current phone I dropped once in the 10 months that I've had it and my previous phone I dropped about 4-5 times in 3 years. Those were all pocket transactions, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    I'm on an airplane with both I'd say once every few months. I bring the work laptop from home to work every day. The home laptop I travel with by car maybe 3-4 times a week. For years I was bringing a notebook to and from classes a few times a day. I don't know... I just don't drop things when I have possession of them. Never dropped a laptop, never dropped a hand-held console... I've dropped my phone a few times. My current phone I dropped once in the 10 months that I've had it and my previous phone I dropped about 4-5 times in 3 years. Those were all pocket transactions, though.
    Well, gravity is a .........., and she never sleeps. So when your Acer/HP/Toshiba/Asus laptop ends up on the concrete one day in a thousand pieces (Okay, maybe not a thousand pieces, but broken), consider if the extra 200$ still isn't money well spent on a rigid chassis, high strength build materials, and drain holes for coffee/juice/long-island-iced-tea in the keyboard.

    And besides, it's an added security, even if i will never really need it, it's calming to the mind knowing that your expensive hardware is well protected

    And they keyboard just IS better, it basically just is, obviously i have nothing to make you guys believe me, like statistics and hard numbers. Try it, notice it, love it.
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    Well, gravity is a .........., and she never sleeps. So when your Acer/HP/Toshiba/Asus laptop ends up on the concrete one day in a thousand pieces (Okay, maybe not a thousand pieces, but broken), consider if the extra 200$ still isn't money well spent on a rigid chassis, high strength build materials, and drain holes for coffee/juice/long-island-iced-tea in the keyboard.
    Assuming an otherwise equivalent laptop is $800 and the IBM is $1000.

    Assuming those extra durability features of an IBM will save your laptop 50&#37; of the time you would've broken a "regular" laptop. (no rigid case can protect a laptop from a 1 meter fall, or a drop into a deep water puddle)

    Let x be the probability that your regular laptop would be shattered into pieces or dropped into a pool or some such accidents within its lifetime.

    The cost of a regular laptop is $800+$800*x.
    The cost of an IBM is $1000+$1000*(x/2) = $1000 + $500*x.

    $800+$800*x = $1000+$500*(x)
    $300x = $200
    x = 2/3

    Unless your regular laptop dies from unnatural death 2/3 of the time, it is not worth it to spend $200 on those durability features .

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    Well some .............. was just spamming the forum. Perhaps its your time to buy now!

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    huh...

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    That was directed at the OP. But you too, why not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    Unless your regular laptop dies from unnatural death 2/3 of the time, it is not worth it to spend $200 on those durability features .
    On top of all this let's not forget to mention the fact that most of the manufacturers that make less durable laptops tend to offer two years of accidental damage insurance for significantly less than $200 on an $800 laptop.
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    You theorycrafting does not intimidate me Cyberfish

    Good point on the damage insurance Sly. A Thinkpad will generally outlast any affordable insurance solution though, that is my experience, after about 2&#189; years of usage, most of the hinges in the cheaper half of the laptop market has lost all strength. One of my classmates owns an old Acer Travelmate, he has to put the screen in a 90 degree angle to the table it is standing on, otherwise it will simply slide down constantly.

    I've been unreasonably rough to my laptop, i would never be able to find a second hand buyer for it, since it has a million dents, scratches and holes in the chassis, yet all i've ever had to do to keep it running was change the harddrive, and it still works as well as a brand new one, and i can still squeeze around 2 hours battery-usage out of it, after 3 years. But if i were to buy a new one, i'd treat it better, and i bet you, it would outlive my grandchildren, i can hardly think of a better way to spend 200$, hardware-related atleast.
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