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    Poll: Yes, it was the moral thing to do, but it was...

    Yes, it was the moral thing to do, but it was also about the violation of peoples' rights, and ending those violations is a legitimate function of government. If we truly want to be a free...
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    Poll: I don't consider that the real issue at all. ...

    I don't consider that the real issue at all. Legislating morality -- and the black markets created -- is the real issue to me.
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    Poll: Pimps exercise the power they have because they...

    Pimps exercise the power they have because they run an illegal operation. It's an unregulated black market. If it is legalized, their won't be more pimps, but fewer. Do you think bootleggers...
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    Poll: Maybe. But legalizing it won't make that...

    Maybe. But legalizing it won't make that situation worse.
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    Poll: Criminalizing it didn't help those people, and...

    Criminalizing it didn't help those people, and may in fact have hurt them, since it's manufacture and sale are not regulated and usually done by bad people who aren't afraid to cut their smack with...
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    Poll: Legalization would not exacerbate this situation,...

    Legalization would not exacerbate this situation, only help it. They can't run from pimps to the cops, because they're committing a crime.



    Well, I'm for legalizing drugs, too but again,...
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    Poll: What abuse? From pimps? Who would work for a...

    What abuse? From pimps? Who would work for a pimp taking all their money and beating them up when they could work for a legal company, get benefits, more pay, etc?
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    Poll: Which would violate someone elses rights, and...

    Which would violate someone elses rights, and therefore represent a legitimate crime. The same is, of course, not true of consensual sex between two adults.
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    Poll: No, you really haven't.

    No, you really haven't.
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    Poll: Oh my, but of course personal freedom - as long...

    Oh my, but of course personal freedom - as long as you do not harm others by force or fraud - is an absolute. It is conferred to us upon birth. Governments should not grant rights, but protect...
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    Poll: Sorry, but that's a weak, lazy argument. You...

    Sorry, but that's a weak, lazy argument. You can't blurt out numbers and then say "look them up". Well, you can, but it doesn't hold much water.
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    Poll: Where do you stop with legislating morality and...

    Where do you stop with legislating morality and behavior? You're OK with mj use, others are not. There are people that still want to outlaw alcohol, and of course cigarettes. Adultery is...
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    Poll: I'm saying that citing vague references to movies...

    I'm saying that citing vague references to movies and TV shows, and now unfounded statistics, isn't very compelling. Can you cite these statistics? Have you been there?
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    Poll: And then they risk what they risk now - potential...

    And then they risk what they risk now - potential disease, violence, etc. Their choice.
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    Poll: You keep citing television and movies. You...

    You keep citing television and movies. You know how many TV shows and movies say there are aliens among us?
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    Poll: Anecdotal. So this boils down to what you...

    Anecdotal.



    So this boils down to what you find acceptable and what you don't find acceptable. I think that's the case with most folks. They don't want a nanny state, unless they get to be...
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    Poll: But...none of the people you mentioned above...

    But...none of the people you mentioned above could get *any* job above board. This is a problem with illegal immigration, felons, etc., not with prostitution.
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    Poll: I wouldn't want my employer, family, priest, etc....

    I wouldn't want my employer, family, priest, etc. knowing I did either. I can't imagine many people would.
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    Poll: I was pointing out that your comparison to...

    I was pointing out that your comparison to illegal immigrants working for less was flawed. They are forced to work for less because they can't work legally in this country. They take what they...
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    Poll: Nonsense. It would be a taxable business like...

    Nonsense. It would be a taxable business like any other. And as far as being "under the table", you're begging the question. There is no more stigma associated with prostitution than there is...
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    Poll: Um, why do *illegal* immigrants work for far less...

    Um, why do *illegal* immigrants work for far less money? And what motivation would a prostitute have to work for less when they can legitimately work for much more?
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    Poll: Forcing someone to work against their will is...

    Forcing someone to work against their will is illegal, and if reported to the authorities, it will be stopped. First, I believe the ability of those who control the supply and can force people to...
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    Poll: Let's try this again since you didn't like my...

    Let's try this again since you didn't like my last answer.



    Sex slavery is bad, and it is a black market business driven by the demand for prostitutes and the illegality of prostitution.

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    Poll: You're missing the point. If it's legalized,...

    You're missing the point. If it's legalized, there is no market for illegal trafficking.
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    Poll: Of course. What part of "consenting ADULTS" do...

    Of course. What part of "consenting ADULTS" do you not understand? Strawman arguments are not going to sway my opinion.
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