CBoard Community Project: Poll #1

[laserlight]

I think you guys are commenting on userpingz's signature. Frankly, I find running to be basic and general. Running ability comes more naturally than swimming and cycling (but then we arguably swim in amniotic fluid before birth, and you have to be pretty evil to cycle in amniotic fluid), but I do not know which of the latter two tends to be harder to learn.

I still don't understand people who think that C++ is far more superior than C and that you'd ALWAYS better do it the C++ way.

Well, language comparison typically tends to come with some kind of bias. C++ is certainly hard to master, and it is certainly general. But C is also hard to master, and is also general. If you look at the strengths of each of the programming languages listed, each of them is "wonderful and flexible". Some have argued that it is good to begin teaching beginners to programming C because it is basic in that procedural programming is its natural paradigm. I am not sure about what it means for a programming language to be "sexy" though, but maybe C is sexy considering that it has contributed significantly to the syntax of many other programming languages (or would "virile" be a better word?)

[Brafil]

Yeah, and we don't want endless "C# or Java"-like discussions, do we? (Or C/C++). So, let's move on to the implementation design. We're discussing most things on the new board.

[userpingz]

Agree. I still don't understand people who think that C++ is far more superior than C and that you'd ALWAYS better do it the C++ way. Yeah, C++ _is_ nice, but I prefer C.

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as a newbie, i can't deely understand & grasp C now.
I think i can't touch your lever for a long time!
Actually, I'd like to study C step by step.
:-)

Downhill, it's cool, i never think i could do it. i only watched the RedBull program from TV.

i fully agree with your definition here.

Swimming = wonderful and flexible
Cycling = sexy and basic
Running = hard and general

i am tri fan.
Original i just descript my programming learning flow which a little like "swim -> bike -> run"
and now, i would pay my enthusiasm to C language study.
Enjoy!

Best Wish to c community projects.

[MK27]

i am tri fan

Currently, I am trying to organize the world's first 8 mile (shortdeck <59mm) skateboard -> YDS 5.9 500m climb -> 4km swim! but there is some contention that it would be better the other way around, so that you can waste your upper body before you do the climb.

We are thinking Oregon or the Basque region.

[brewbuck]

Currently, I am trying to organize the world's first 8 mile (shortdeck <59mm) skateboard -> YDS 5.9 500m climb -> 4km swim! but there is some contention that it would be better the other way around, so that you can waste your upper body before you do the climb.

We are thinking Oregon or the Basque region.

5.9 for 500 meters? I'm not sure any such route exists in Oregon. In fact, I'm not sure any 5.x route of any kind exists for 500 meters in this state. Of course, the (shorter) routes we have are probably the most beautiful you'll ever see.

The best place I can think of where you have the option of an 8 mile skateboard, followed by 500 meters of climbing with a 5.9 crux, followed by 4 km of swimming, would be...

Skate from Blue Box pass to Timberline pass on US highway 26. I'm not sure how long that is, but it's at least 8 miles. Up... and down...

Hitch a ride to Timberline Lodge. Climb 2500 feet to Illumination Rock. Climb some fantastic 5.9+, crumbly volcanic rock to a vista on the Rock.

Glissade back to TImberline. Hitch a ride on Highway 35 for 30 or so miles to reach Hood River. Swim across the Columbia river to Washington, cutting a diagonal if necessary to achieve a swim of 4 km.

I cannot think of a place in the state where you could combine all three elements without hitching a ride. It's really not feasible to swim in any but the most major rivers, since they are too freaking cold for a swim of 4 km. You'd sink to the bottom.

[brewbuck]

Summary of the below:

1. Can you code a lexer for an interpreted C language? Do you want to know how? Contact me publicly here.

2. Can you code a yacc/bison grammar for an interpreted C language, or write a recursive-descent parser? Do you want to know how? Contact me publicly here.

3. Coding is not, and is never, restricted. Anyone can contribute.

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Okay. We seem stalled here, although I haven't checked the site. Since I'm sure I'm not the only one neglecting the site, I post this here instead of there.

I unilaterally declare, unless strongly objected, that we begin implementing the parser of an interpreted C language.

The lexical analyzer phase will be hand-coded. Parsing C does not require regular expressions. In order to create work, and an opportunity for someone to write code, this should not be done by lex/flex but coded manually. I am seeking volunteers who either know the basics of lexical parsing or are willing to learn.

The parser phase will be either LR(1) generated (yacc or bison), or coded by hand as a recursive-descent parser with backtracking. The parser will generate an abstract syntax tree (AST) representation of the parse. The details of the AST representation remain to be defined. Again, I am seeking volunteers who either know, or want to know, how to do this.

My call for volunteers is to identify people who can contribute or help others contribute. It is by no means an attempt to restrict the set of people who can contribute.

[MacGyver]

My experience with this sort of thing is kind of limited... practically non-existent. A few years ago I got involved in some language stuff, but my efforts weren't serious at all, and I forgot most of everything I learned (if anything) about the process of development as well as a lot of the theory behind it.

I'm pretty much useless at this point without doing some major research, but I would like to find some area in which I can contribute to this. My concern is that I might slow this kind of a project down, mainly by lack of experience and expertise, and possibly also a lack of time (although the latter should not be an issue now).

[brewbuck]

My experience with this sort of thing is kind of limited... practically non-existent. A few years ago I got involved in some language stuff, but my efforts weren't serious at all, and I forgot most of everything I learned (if anything) about the process of development as well as a lot of the theory behind it.

Mind describing what you were working on?

[MacGyver]

Mind describing what you were working on?

I wasn't really working on anything in particular. I was fiddling with a lexer and trying to get a grasp of how to use one practically. As I said, I didn't quite take it seriously at the time, and I tried to forget most of the experience (as it wasn't a very fun one).

It's something I will have to relearn, though, especially since, as I write this, I'm rather regretting I sound like an idiot.

[MK27]

5.9 for 500 meters? I'm not sure any such route exists in Oregon.

Looks like it's the Basques then

Actually I haven't climbed for years, and I only did it for one or two seasons, mostly training indoors, since the first season was winter. I had to look up the notation form for that, I seem to clearly remember it written as 5'10", not 5.10, but apparently not. The highest I went was not more than 50m.

8 miles is a long way to skate on a short ("new school") board with small wheels, that would be slightly boring. We will definitely loose interest in this phase.

I think I would skip straight to the 4k swim and call it a day....

[Brafil]

I wouldn't propose a "copy" of C - Maybe some similarities, but we shouldn't do it that way.

We should first start building a parser subsystem, main function and interactive shell (like Python or irb) which gathers input and passes it to the parser. The parser should evaluate an expression and print it out for now.

I could help, but I'm not good about parsers. And I definitely don't want to code token queues or stacks - I have done this at least 5 times for my project.

BTW: I'm leaving on holiday for a week. So don't count on me. But I'll look back again on June 17.

[zacs7]

Don't count on me either, even though I posted the idea weeks ago :-).

I've got exams now, until the 27th. But I'm looking forward to this! I've made the problem in the past of having fun studying something that's not related to my immediate exams.

[brewbuck]

So, I guess discussion has been continuing on the CCP site. I couldn't figure out where, so I assumed things were stalled.

No matter what we want this language to look like, we still need a parser for it, and I still want to know who feels capable of implementing it. If MK27/Snafuist or somebody else can post a link to the current active discussion then let's move this conversation there.

[MK27]

active[/i] discussion then let's move this conversation there.

try:

CCP &bull; View forum - Discussions

that's my bookmark, and it takes you to the top level of the discussion threads (of which I just counted: 7 threads, 61 posts, and more than 500 views).

So if anyone thinks *nothing* has happened, guess again...we are not coding yet, which no doubt everyone finds frustrating. I was hoping someone would just hand me some specs and a loaded firearm But we are getting closer to having that, qv. esp the thread "Language Design", and also "Brainstorming Methodology".

But, for those interested: *please* (I'm begging) try to take some time to look thru what has already been said rather than just jumping in and shootin' yer mouth off.

_MK