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    is Python The best web programming language.

    hey guys i need advice i am trying to choose a programming language for a website i am plan on building which language is the best in terms of clean graphics light pages which would be incredibly fast , having a high security.

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    Well, if you don't give us any hint as to what kind of website you're trying to build, the best help we can offer is general. It also might help to put this in the correct board.

    Either way, how did you get the idea that Python is a website programming language? For starters, you should know HTML.

    > clean graphics
    That's up to you to implement. No language will inherently make "clean graphics" if you don't give it clean graphics. Remember, GIGO.

    > light pages which would be incredibly fast
    Most likely HTML, but the speed is often dependent on the connection, not the (HTML) elements. If you're going for speed, stay away from Javascript or embedded Flash/animated GIFs. Again, this depends on what functionality you want.

    > having a high security
    What? Are you trying to secure a SQL database? Are you trying to secure a server? Are you trying to secure a PHP control panel? Input forms from SQL injection? Protect against XSS? What do you actually want to do?

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    1. Learn XHTML and CSS. If you want dynamic pages (e.g. Forum style loading and getting content from a database) you will need to learn PHP.
    2. Keeping the HTTP requests down will help with this. Add all of your Javascript and CSS together. E.g. All the CSS in a style.css file, and all the Javascript in a JS.js file.
    3. Make sure mod_security is installed on your server. There are more ways for your server to get compromised than just your coding. E.g. Outdated FTP server, OpenSSH being outdated.

    W3Schools Online Web Tutorials is a good place to start learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memcpy View Post
    Most likely HTML, but the speed is often dependent on the connection, not the (HTML) elements. If you're going for speed, stay away from Javascript or embedded Flash/animated GIFs.
    The speed with which something loads is as you say, dependent on the connection, and the size of the thing being loaded. The speed at which something executes once it is loaded is another issue. Saying that HTML renders "faster" than flash or an animated gif is like saying you can drive a car faster than you can eat a hamburger. It does not make much sense, but in some particular context it may or may not be "true". Generally, js and flash are used to do things that cannot be done with HTML.

    Recommending someone "stay away from" javascript for web-dev is like saying they should stay away from water if they want to learn to swim.

    Quote Originally Posted by inu11byte View Post
    If you want dynamic pages (e.g. Forum style loading and getting content from a database) you will need to learn PHP.
    VERY VERY VERY WRONG. I am sure the OP is aware of this, so I won't bother to explain this any further. This is about as ignorant as saying, if you want to paint a wall, use blue paint, because blue is the only colour that will stick to a wall. It is simply not true. Any and all programming languages can be used to access databases and produce dynamic content for an HTTP server.

    2. Keeping the HTTP requests down will help with this. Add all of your Javascript and CSS together. E.g. All the CSS in a style.css file, and all the Javascript in a JS.js file.
    Very silly. No one wants to maintain a site where all the css and js is mashed together in a single file for no good reason. Totally idiotic. A primary goal of an HTTP server is to minimize the expense of a basic request. Of course, you don't want to put every single js function in its own file, but, generally, no one does that programming anyway. Sometimes js/css/html is compacted in a production environment but not in development.

    WRT python: python is a server side language. Any language can be used server side, but python is one of the more common ones, along with perl, php, ruby, and some MS technologies I don't know much about. All of those will provide a lot of libraries etc. for doing server side web work. These are very high level activities and "performance" is in part determined by the server and the database (not the language used to interface with the server or database), as is security. So while I might say that perl performs better at text processing (which is what most dynamic web content involves), that is not very meaningful. If python seems sexy to you, use python. It doesn't matter. Except PHP is awkward and ugly, lol.

    Graphics are generally a client side event and so your choice of server side language is irrelevant to that. If you want to get started doing web-dev, you have to understand the mandatory client side stuff, which means:

    1) HTML
    2) CSS
    3) javascript

    Flash and to a much lesser extent java are also used client side, but for specialized purposes.

    If you don't understand the difference between "client side" and "server side" start googling, that is very fundamental.
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    C programming resources:
    GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
    The C Book -- nice online learner guide
    Current ISO draft standard
    CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
    3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
    cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge

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