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I was reading this article earlier today linked from slashdot. C made the list.
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6. C programming
As the Web takes over, C languages are also becoming less relevant, according to Padveen. "C++ and C Sharp are still alive and kicking, but try to find a basic C-only programmer today, and you'll likely find a guy that's unemployed and/or training for a new skill," he says.
That, in my opinion, is ridiculous on quite a few levels... first off, not only are some companies still asking for software to be written in C, but even after they aren't, there will be tons of it in circulation for years to be updated and maintained. Secondly, I don't know a single C programmer that is "training for a new skill" as if to say the only thing they've ever known is C and immediately rush to learn something new once they get laid off.
C is the mother of C# and C++, so it will never phase out. I know people who code in COBOL and Fortran. Every language has a use. Nothing is ever outdated,
True, even Fortran is still being maintained! New compilers and such come out every year or so...
Can't wait for Fortran 2008! ;)
/sarcasm
As if the Web is only target for Commarcial Applications... lol
Maybe it's not just commercial apps, but embedding programming as a whole: robots, Electric doors, clocks, car radios, and elevators, to name a few, must now really be enjoying the benefit of being programmed with Internet-ready browsers as a standard. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by vart
"My web page looks SWEET in LED!"
Isn't PHP and a raft of other so-called web languages based on C, i.e. they lift most of the stdlib?
Do me a favour. :rolleyes:
'based' yes, written in too! So I assume they'd be 'wrapping' a lot of the standard library functions.
So take C away, kiss PHP good-bye, along with a lot of C-based web browsers. Now we just have to wait until someone tries to create an OS in PHP :\
Nasa's rovers (still operational) on Mars are driven (navigation) by software written in c++. I'd hardly call the c language dead.
Actually they tend to use Python now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldman47
My dad programs in dying skill #1 there. There's still room for it around.
Also, coming from slashdot I'm a little bummed BSD's not on that list
Not according to Bjarne Stroustrup's application page (updated this year in May), and various other sources. I'm not referring to the entire project, of course, just the navigational systems aboard the rovers. No doubt, they're utilizing various languages for specific tasks.Quote:
Originally Posted by zacs7
Dude, my boss insists me programming in c because he said it was the most portable code that can be used by the engineers. So I don't think that c is one of the dying languages. The people that I am working with (mostly masters and PH.Ds) made a bet at which one would fall out first, C or C#. Trust me, they think C# would phase out before C does.
It's true! C is DEAD, you're all wasting your time!
You don't think M$ will kill off C# just as soon as it stops making money for them?
Takes over what? It's a curious premise, isn't it, in which to move ontoQuote:
As the Web takes over,
If the original listed this in plural, is that just an odd way of referring to the various versions of C, or inclusive of derivatives like Objective C, C++, et al?Quote:
C languages are also becoming less relevant, according to Padveen.
As languages go, isn't C Sharp a bit new to be in the state of "still" alive.Quote:
"C++ and C Sharp are still alive and kicking,
I suppose the contributors to Linux are not employed when the volunteer.Quote:
but try to find a basic C-only programmer today, and you'll likely find a guy that's unemployed and/or training for a new skill," he says.
The one thing I'll give in to there is this. C is not the casual study that other languages are. A student can become functional, even proficient, in Java or C# in less time than it would take in C, and for that alone the population of people willing to put in the effort wil be small.
I submit it's not the C is fading way, but that the population of programmers is increased by these other means of developing applications, and most of them don't like the work involved in writing in C.
and start suing like crazy as soon as (or if) it starts making money for anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salem
The future is in Excel programming, learn a useful skill people, C is dead.
>> try to find a basic C-only programmer today
Isn't that a rather pedantic career choice? Choosing a single language to program in (edit: and apparently a dead one, heh. Bad choice)? Maybe it was common in the days of the past, I really don't know, but just cause C is good doesn't mean it's the best choice for every application. It's robust and can be used for most things ... but it can be easier to do things with other languages.
>> As the Web takes over
:rolleyes:
LOL :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Perspective
Of course I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salem
Yup! In the future there's only one thing on a computer - the browser. MS will release a ring0 browser/OS!Quote:
Originally Posted by TheListOrSomething
People need to stop taking Slashdot articles so seriously. I've seen so many articles so incredibly far from the truth and laughed as I read in the comments at how all the slashdot users just buy it and argue over it. Half the time the sites that the articles link to are in whole unreliable and never base anything on proper sources. I'm still giggling over the article that stated the brain used neurotic sound waves to communicate with itself based on a breakthrough Dutch study which all the users blindly soaked up.
In terms of C being dead/rapidly dying, google "most popular programming languages", and then consider if you really believe what that woman who thinks she's a New York Times visionary journalist has to say. Most of the results I personally found on google provided information regarding all the methods and techniques they used to find their data. C, by itself, was among the top three for most of them as well, many times surpassing C++. And 'as the web takes over', C will grow with it. If I have to write any serious client/server applications in a language other than C/C++ I'll barf.
This article provided absolutely no sources besides a single quote from the 'CEO' of a spyware 'company' who said finding a programmer that specialized in C alone was a delicacy. She based everything on a scammer whose website I can't trust as far as I can throw. It's in no way a study, it's biased journalism.
C-only programmers are so rare because people stupid enough to learn only a single language are not smart enough to learn C ... :)
I think C-only programmers know other languages too but they are specialized to programs which are best to build in C. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by CornedBee
By today's standards, C isn't a very powerful language. Compared to Python, C# or even C++ it just takes too long to work with.
That said, it is the "lingua franca" of modern computing. Python is written in C. So is Linux, windows and Apache.
Now, if start a web-app or a desktop app or even an enterprise level app in C, you're in for a world of bugs, security leaks and project overruns, but any serious developer needs to know C, if only to deal with the volume of code that's already out there.
And, of course, if you're in the embedded world, it's really your only option.
C# sucks. C and C++ will never die out.
Anybody who thinks that the C and C derived languages are dying out because of the web is a complete idiot.
Hell id like to see the day when we run OS's that are coded in PHP and JavaScript lol.
There's some crazy people about.
The programming is not only writing new code - but also maintaining the existing...Quote:
Compared to Python, C# or even C++ it just takes too long to work with.
How many lines of C-code you've seen that are completely inreadable by human? In comparison to C++ code? The old joke that C++ was created with purpose of creating infinite workspace for the programmers has its own reasons...
As long as there is Richard Stallman or Linus Torvalds, C will never die.
As useful and increasingly more specialised new languages are getting, most depend on the existence of C. For interpreted languages, the interpreter would likely be written in C and things like compilers, OSs, virtual machines and other stuff like cutting-edge game engines C/++ is the main choice for many.
There's nothing you can't write in C++.
>> By today's standards, C isn't a very powerful language. Compared to Python, C# or even C++ it just takes too long to work with.
That's not true, you may have to write more lines of code to accomplish the same thing as in Python, but C is too high-level to have "limits".
>> any serious developer needs to know C,
Get serious people, with Machine Code. :D
you just backed up my point without realising it. I didn't say "you can't do x in C", I said "it just takes too long to work with", or as you put it you "have to write alot more lines of code to accomplish the same thing"Quote:
Originally Posted by Queatrix
Now when you're a hobbyist, that's fine, but in the real world, where there are time pressures, budgets and so on, you better have a damn good reason for not using all the work that's already been done in other languages
C isn't "high-level," even when comparing it to some assembly languages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Queatrix
Oh the irony of a dead thread, about dead things, should be resurrected.
Objections to /dev/null.