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hi...which of the following compiler is the best to use:
1)vc++(6.0 or 7.1)
2)dev c++ (4.0 or 5.0beta)
3) GNU C/C++ compiler
and btw i just found that there is a microsoft free "Express" vesion of Visual Studio.NET in now available, is it good to use and compile C++ codes?
Tnx for ur attention!
Kind Regards,
wakish
depends on what you want to do with the compiler? write MS-Windows applications, then use .NET compiler and related tools. Just to learn c++ language, then Dev-C++ is better. I believe it uses minigw compiler. GNU compiler is useful for keepning source code portable between *nix and MS-Windows operating systems, or where you already know *nix g++.
Don't bother with VC++ 6.0 for new programs because that compiler is older than current standards and obviously not very c++ standards compliant.
Just look at the last word in the first line of my sig.
Free download too. ;)
ok..but which Def C++ is good; the version 4 or the 5beta version??
because since the version 5 is a beta version, is it good to use?
btw Ancient Dragon i'm planning to do more than just learning C++.
What would u advice me in this case man?
Btw all i want is a good stable, reliable, good interface looking and standard compliant compiler to enjoy C++ as it should be.
Tnx for ur attention and kind helps!
Regards,
wakish
If you have the $$$ (about 500 to 1000 USD), buy Visual Studio 2003 .NET Pro version or want another month or so for 2005 to be released. If you are a student with student credentials you can get educational version for about $100.00 USD. Excellent IDE and programming/debugging tools and support.
Comeau is the most iso standard compliant compiler in the world. And it only costs a mere $50.00 USD! I haven't used it, but it looks good on their web site. The company has been around for many many years and I would expect them to be around for many more in the future.
Borland has a free compiler c++ builder compiler but again I don't know how good or bad it is. Stay away from their Turbo C free compilers, they are just too ancient to be of much value for anyone except some very backward educational institutions.
For Dev-C++, I wouldn't use a beta version, not worth the hassle.
If you are planning on working as a C++ developer on windows, I would suggest learning Visual C++, EVERY place I have worked at use that and I've worked at quite a few places. One of them used Borland C++ Builder for a time but it was horribly buggy and we only used it because the original designer was a delphi programmer and couldn't develop a GUI without a point and click interface.
I don't know much about the Dev-C++ debugger, if there is one other than gdb, but the Visual Studio debugger is a fantastic tool if you can afford version 7.1 or higher.
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Originally Posted by Ancient Dragon
ok..tnx for the valuable infos...
i have viewed the comeau sites..it seems to be solid too!
btw i can use the Visual C++ Express Edition Beta 2 ??
Depends on what you want to use it for. You can't use it to create commercial programs for sale. But I see no reason why you can't use it for your own use. You will have to read M$ license agreement. Just be aware that the compiler has bugs -- that's what a beta means :pQuote:
Originally Posted by wakish
yeah. .that's y i'm confused about using it..since i dn't like using beta versions :(
btw i have just downloaded it, it's only 2.66Mb :confused:
Don't bother with VC++, its a waste of time to use when you are first learning. I would only use it for projects, or commercial work really.
Dev-Cpp is easy to use, to the point, quick to get a program or test running.
yeah...i think i will spend some time with devC++ 4..then later on i'll see...
tnx!
Actually, Dev-C++ uses a version of the GNU compiler. It's a complete IDE (Integrated Development Environment). It's quite popular, and it has a good reputation. (I don't know what the beta situation is. Like most open-source projects, there is almost always a beta version available.)
I always recommend that beginners start-out with a popular compiler. Compilers / IDEs are not the easiest programs to set-up and use. If you get a popular one, it's easier to find someone to help you.
If your funds are limited, I recommend spending $100 on two or three programming books, rather than on a compiler.
The free beta Microsoft IDEs use the same underlying compiler as the commercial programs. I suspect that the ploy behind the beta-express line is to get students hooked on Microsoft development tools. :rolleyes:
Ancient Dragon is right. If you are a student, the academic version of Visual Studio is an unbeatable deal!!! If you are not a student, you can but Visual C++ Standard for $100. Or, Visual Studio 2005 Standard for $300.
And, Ancient Dragon is wrong. :p From Micro$oft's FAQ:Quote:
You can't use it to create commercial programs for sale.
In the past (and maybe still) some of Microsoft's academic compilers were only for non-commercial use. Some would generate an exe file that wouldn't even run unless Visual C++ was installed on the target machine!Quote:
What can I do with the Express products?
Learn how to program using a streamlined, lightweight development environment with built-in tutorial content
Evaluate the .NET Framework for Windows and Web development
Create fun and interesting applications for their personal enjoyment or to share with their friends, or even commercially distribute your programs.
Good point. When you're looking for your first job, it wouldn't hurt to say "I use Visual Studio at home."Quote:
...Visual C++, EVERY place I have worked at use that...
Yes, I can tell you from experience that when you interview people, and you have 20 candidates who have equiv. experience, you go with the one who knows the tools you use. It's a real pain in the neck to get 50 questions a day related to how to use VC++ IDE from the new guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougDbug
I prefer Dev-C++ 5.0 beta(4.9.9.2)
The academic version of VS 2003 .net is the same as the Pro edition with a couple more CDs thrown in the students and teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougDbug
ok..
btw i just installed Dev version4 to experience it a bit..
hey guys when i compile a simple code without using "using namespace std;", the codes compile with no error...but in vc++ 6.0 when i compile without that too, it says error!
so what shud i conclude?or any explanation?
Thnx!
Kind Regards,
wakish
In all honesty I don't see what the whole hype over Dev-C++ is about. The best feature of the whole thing is the package manager if you ask me. The main reason I don't use Dev-C++ is simply because the syntax highlighting is probably some of the worst I've ever seen. But it's great since you can get support for almost anything you want on the go.
If you're working off of a Windows machine you will probably want to get something like Visual C++ or Visual Studio .NET since they are extremely robust and very very flexible.
If you're looking into a open source or free compiler for Windows, then you want Open Watcom. Totally free, and has a lot of very useful tools that a windows programmer can use. If you don't like Open Watcom (it is a very highly picky compiler, it forces you to really use clean code styles) then you'll probably want to go for GCC instead.
If you want an IDE for GCC or don't like the IDE for the compilers I mentioned (Open Watcoms' code editor isn't too hot if you ask me) then I recommend either Textpad or GNU Emacs. Emacs has more features than any other editor ever to exist, so it inheritly is very complex, but Textpad is extremely easy to use and has nice syntax highlighting.
Since you're obviously new to C++ I will just say this: use using namespace std;, since later on it makes a lot more sense than it does when beginning the language.Quote:
Originally Posted by wakish
What do you mean the syntax highlighting is off, It works fine for me.
As far as comparing Dev-C++ and GCC they are basically the same compiler. Dev-C++ is just the IDE it uses MinGW which is a windows port of the GCC compiler system.
If you can nab a free good version of VC++ go for it but if you are going to be paying for it just get Dev-C++ until you actually need all the "goodies" of VC++
>hey guys when i compile a simple code without using "using namespace std;", the codes compile with
>no error...but in vc++ 6.0 when i compile without that too, it says error!
Posting your program and error messages helps.
Dev-C++4 is outdated (and uses an outdated compiler set), you should download and install Dev-C++5. The current version is Dev-C++ 4.9.9.2, which is a beta of Dev-C++5.Quote:
btw i just installed Dev version4 to experience it a bit..
The outdated compiler set that Dev-C++4 uses is the reason why namespaces pose a problem to you.
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Originally Posted by Salem
here it is:
Code:#include <iostream>
#include <cstdlib>
//using namespace std; ***NOT INCLUDING IT IN CODE***
int main()
{
cout << "\nHi..this is a test msg!\n";
system("pause");
return EXIT_SUCCESS;
}
--------------------Configuration: test - Win32 Debug--------------------
Compiling...
test.cpp
: error C2065: 'cout' : undeclared identifier
: error C2297: '<<' : illegal, right operand has type 'char [21]'
Error executing cl.exe.
test.obj - 2 error(s), 0 warning(s)
As i said when compiled without including "using namespace std;", i get error (as shown above) from vc++ 6.0 and NO error with dev 4.
so if vc++ was to be "not so standard compliant", it shud not have shown this error msg. Right?
plz can anyone comment on this, thanks!
Regards,
wakish
Dev-Cpp should be giving you an error, did you read laserlight's post above?Quote:
Originally Posted by wakish
Thats a different kind of "not so standard compliant" vc++ is more strict sometimes, or changes rules slightly.
yeah, but i tried the same code with Dev, but to my dismay i did not get an expected error, that's y i'm asking.. :(
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Originally Posted by laserlight
yeah, ok i understand..sry i misread the last time ;)
i will try the beta...
has anyone tried the free available version of : Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 ??
is it worth trying?
for a quiclk glance at it:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en
and i already have vc++ 6.0(integrated in visual studio) installed on my machine, if i shud install the Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003, shud i uninstall the vc++6.0 first?
tnx again for ur attention!
Regards!