This is just a poll. No one has been promised anything, I believe that is up to the mods and/or "webmaster".
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This is just a poll. No one has been promised anything, I believe that is up to the mods and/or "webmaster".
Really again? Ugh
No, no, no, and as always, no :)
No new forums.
Oh you people are so crabby. :p
I vote 'yes'.
A long time ago, we had an ASM forum, and it got closed due to lack of interest.
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It would greatly increase the percentage of topics with no professional advice since many of the active members on this board are more or less specialized to C or C++.
Now that is hard to believe :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Salem
Nothing against ASM (after all, it does the "real" work). It just looks so intensely masochistic. I guess a normal person might say that about "computer programming" in general.
Not many people work in assembly any more, but in order to understand all kinds of every day programming techniques average programmer should at least be familiar with it.
I am not. I never programmed or used assembly for anything, but in lot of programming books I have, authors assume I can read assembly so they present a few listings of assembly code here and there. I bought a book on assembly in hope it would help me learn at least some basics, but there was always something more important so I never even opened it.
That's why I would at least visit an asm forum at cboard here and there, if for no other reason then because it's only a few clicks away of something I visit regularly. And the books I'm talking about, books that assume some familiarity with assembly?
Debugging Applications for Microsoft .Net and Microsoft Windows by John Robbins or Microsoft Windows Internals by Mark Russinovich & David Solomon or Writing Secure Code by Michael Howard & David C. LeBlanc or Code Complete by Steve McConnell or Hunting Security Bugs by Tom Gallagher or Rootkits: Subverting the Windows Kernel by Greg Hoglund & Jamie Butler or Exploiting Software: How to Break Code by Greg Hoglund & Gary McGraw, Old New Thing by Raymond Chen and so on and on.
An ASM forum makes all sense in the context of advanced C and C++ programming. Being this primarily a C and C++ community, I find it hard to understand how come the potential for low traffic is relevant. In my opinion is totally irrelevant if ASM will have many or few posts.
That said, ASM questions have been answered on the C++ and C forums successfully in the past. So, in my opinion, the question is not why don't we have an ASM forum, but why should we have one. Again in my opinion, we shouldn't; exactly because of the first sentence on this paragraph.
Besides, it's not like you couldn't get away with a lot ASM questions so long as you just throw it into a C program as inline assembly. A dedicated forum is out of context with the theme regardless of how necessary it is for any programmer.
That said... I haven't checked the programming forums on this site for years, so I have no idea how many Objective-C or ASM questions are asked around here. However, if it's anything less than, say, one per page... I wouldn't really consider a dedicated forum. Historically, in my forum experience, when a visitor sees a forum that has three topics a month, they tend to be reluctant to post anything there regardless of its relevance.
No new forums.
cboard has the perfect amount of forums. With the exception of Article Discussions / FAQ Board / Programming Book and Product Reviews. With good reason. Those very few topics could be moved to other forums, or the main website (FAQ).
I'd like a Java forum, since Java is a lot more closely related to C/C++ than Assembly is.
I don't see why people are against adding more forums?
Who cares if there aren't many people using it (in the beginning). You can't expect it to become an instant success overnight. I'm sure when this site started the C & C++ forums probably weren't very active either. You just have to give it time.
I don't get why people feel it's necessary...Quote:
Originally Posted by cpjust
This website isn't the whole internet, you know... If you want Java discussion then you can visit one of the dozens of Java forums out there that don't have a completely unrelated programming language in it's domain name and banner... Perhaps we should ask eBay if they'd also like to open a Java discussion forum... because, you know... they're a good website and plus... I don't see why not... some people might want to go to eBay and discuss Java code.
I don't mean to sound condescending... but the issue seems so clear to me that it's hard not to. The top banner says C and C++... the tutorials, the articles, the quizzes, the FAQ... they're all C and C++. Adding Java would absolutely put a demand on webmaster to rewrite many of the tutorials and articles to be geared towards Java, as well. Many of which would create conflict between the paradigms of both languages.
Now, I recognize the immediate response is going to be "But what about the C# Forum"... well, in my opinion that shouldn't be here, either. However, it was here when I got here and at this point it's a little late to turn back even if the community wanted to. Let's all just accept the fact that this is a C and C++ related programming website and not a general programming website.
Just so everyone's aware, it's entirely up to webmaster and/or kermi3 (who are both "administrators"). They might take our/your opinions into consideration, but it's up to them, and as far as I know, no other discussion has yet taken place. I'll make sure webmaster knows about this, but again - it's totally his decision.Quote:
I believe that is up to the mods and/or "webmaster".
We had an ASM forum? When was that? I was checking out cboard snapshots on Wayback, and couldn't find any mention of it. Too bad it only indexes the index...
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I think that one purpose to the "slow moving" forums you mention is that (generally) the threads in them are of a less transient, more polished nature than in the "fast moving" threads, and contain a much higher percentage of things that would/could/should be interesting as information, but can also be updated from time to time. Those things would just be buried and lost in the main forums so nobody would be bothered to write them -- witness, they are not questions, which makes them categorically different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dae
For example, altho the AI forum has had way more posts than I would have remembered from the past year, that would have been impossible to observe if they weren't actually together in one forum. Altho really the AI questions still fall into what I would call a "transient" category different from the things in Articles, Reviews, or FAQs.
I dont like forums with too many forums. Look at Javaranch - good forum, but before you post, you have to spend 5 minutes working out which of the dozens of forums would be best for your question.
> you have to spend 5 minutes working out which of the dozens of forums would be best for your question.
And then be told you picked the wrong one ;)
Axiom: If there is only one forum, then by definition you cannot be off-topic, and you cannot cross-post.
(I know you're being ironic but) I think it really is. Assembler programming can be a lot of fun as long as you don't try to write an entire application in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MK27
The matter of whether something is fun or not is not the criteria used for deciding whether or not it should be a forum.
I believe the C# forum has more relevance than people might see simply b/c it can interface quite easily with C++ through C DLLs and even easier via C++/CLI classes. The GUI power that C# brings to the table just cannot be matched by MFC or any other third party C++ library. And it's not the fault of the library as much as it is the fault of the default Windows controls that have been provided for so long with Win32. The standard controls are just horrible in Win32. The ones provided in .NET, while not perfect, are very very nice. One could argue there may be a need for a C++/CLI instead of a C# forum but I would argue that you can post CLI on the C++ forum and still call it C++. C++/CLI development has been hampered by C# since C# provides all that C++/CLI does and with less hassle, less learning curve, and probably faster dev times. It was much harder for me to dive into C++/CLI than it was C# b/c even though C++/CLI is 'close' to C++ it is not true C++ according to the standards. I would rather train my brain with something completely new such as C# than pollute my C++ knowledge with something like C++/CLI.
I'm not in favor of more forums simply b/c the more forums we have the less focused we become. The less focused we become the less effective the board as a whole is. Staying focused is what makes this place as good as it is. You can't be everything to everyone and you can't be an expert in all things and all languages. So I guess my point is if you support everything you really support nothing.
I'm having a hard time thinking of a language that can't do this.Quote:
I believe the C# forum has more relevance than people might see simply b/c it can interface quite easily with C++ through C DLLs
not only d I think a java forum would be bad, I think the C# forum should be removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by cpjust