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First, sorry for the spam.
Secondly, WOW!
I'm currently writing this on my new computer running Fedora 11. This is great. My laptop was expiring on me, so I went and bought me a desktop, this new system is so much faster, but that's not enough to rave about. I'm ALSO running Linux! It disgraces Windows, I don't know how else to put it. Linux gives you so much more control over the functions of the computer, and the software that comes with it, is decked out with cool features (now I know where FF got 'em all from). And I'm FINALLY operating an attractive GUI! No more fuss over viruses or resource-hogging anti-virus systems. And did I mention how ALL this software that I can download is FREE! I would've spent thousands of $ for this software, if it were from MS.
If you're still running Windows for personal use, then your IQ just took a nose dive.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to run Windows as a dual-boot with Fedora, but only for compatibility (file formats, and other people), and Flash making purposes. (But WINE should take care of a bit of that.) And Windows is an excellent OS for making money servicing. Also, I haven't tried Windows 7, so I don't know where and how they shaped up, if they did.

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If you're still running Windows for personal use, then your IQ just took a nose dive.

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That would have sounded better if you didn't mention you were still running Windows (as a dual boot) in the next sentence :)

At any rate, I think most people still hang on to Windows due to their favorite applications only running on that platform. I think games is a big one for a lot of people. I agree that Linux is a better OS though.

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Originally Posted by Yarin

I'm ALSO running Linux! It disgraces Windows, I don't know how else to put it. Linux gives you so much more control over the functions of the computer, and the software that comes with it, is decked out with cool features (now I know where FF got 'em all from). And I'm FINALLY operating an attractive GUI!

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Well, I'm not a big windows fan, but that's a little over the top. Linux probably is more fun if you are interesting in technical things, but less if you are into games.

The best part about the GUI vs. window is you have multiple workspaces, which last time I checked windows still only has one. You can configure it in all kinds of crazy ways too...

Oh here's a little thing for easier man page viewing if you want, since there is bound to be a lot of that early on*:

seetxt :)

but you have to compile it yourself:

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tar -xjf seetxt-0.61.tar.bz2
cd see-0.61
./configure
make
make check
make install

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That's generally how you would compile most any source package for linux you can find on the web. After "make install", you can delete the build directory ("see-0.61").

There's one bug I'm aware of -- if you want to use "no confirm", you must add a colon at the end in the config file ("no confirm:") due to a strtok() mistake.

*the man pages are htmlified everywhere on line but it's a good idea to use the ones specific to your system.

Windows XP is the best OS I've ever used, having personally tried various flavours of linux and BSD. ;)

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Originally Posted by Yarin

[Linux rulez propaganda]

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Give it a couple more months. You will still be somewhat happy. Just not overjoyed anymore.

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Originally Posted by Yarin

[Linux rulez propaganda]

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Wait till MSysia sees this. ;)

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Originally Posted by stevesmithx

Wait till MSysia sees this. ;)

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The big secret is to get a nice transparent GUI CLI Terminal and use ncurses apps in the shell; vim and mc (mc is far and away the most awesome and powerful file browser I have ever seen because it operates in the shell, with a subshell: you have two directories side by side for file transfer, and it's ftp capable so one can be remote, but the best part is the shell command line is there at the bottom. Ctrl-o and the ncurses UI flips up to reveal the subshell, which is a login CLI with normal output in the current working directory; you can run vim in it). And those things are so resource light you can run scores of them at a time; they fire up in fraction of a second and they always work faster than a GUI app independent of the terminal. They exist on almost every linux flavour around (on Fedora you may have to build mc), they are always more or less identical and they been developing constantly for 15-20 years. You can fit minimilist versions of the executables on a floppy disk :P I have a weeny VPS server right now where the OS takes up less than 2G; I just ssh in on a CLI terminal and it's the exact same environment I'm looking at. "top" is another great one console app.

>> That would have sounded better if you didn't mention you were still running Windows (as a dual boot) in the next sentence
Actually, I just tried it, the W2k disk broke the primary HDs MBR, AND refused to install in a large partition I reserved just for it. So, after fixing the MBR, I decided my new sys'll have to just get along without it. (Maybe I can figure out how to do it later anyways) Besides, I said for PERSONAL use. (Though, now that I do think about gaming, Windows would be a bit better for that) Sometimes you can't do without it, especially when most things are made FOR it - like when a client sends you a MS Publisher file, how am I suppose to load THAT up in Linux??

>> Wait till MSysia sees this.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. :D

>> Well, I'm not a big windows fan, but that's a little over the top.
>> Windows XP is the best OS I've ever used, having personally tried various flavours of linux and BSD.
>> Give it a couple more months. You will still be somewhat happy. Just not overjoyed anymore.
Indeed I did exaggerate my rave. And I have gotten by with XP for 2+ years, it's not ALL that bad. But I do think I'm be preferring Linux WELL over Windows in a couple years too.

>> vim and mc (mc is far and away the most awesome and powerful file browser I have ever seen
Nope, not with Fedora. I googled for it, but couldn't find it. Can you point me to it's site?

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Originally Posted by MK27

mc is far and away the most awesome and powerful file browser I have ever seen

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Yeah, it is. Because it's inspired on the best application ever developed in computing history Norton Commander.

It's applications for microsoft operating systems setting the standards... :p

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Originally Posted by Yarin

Nope, not with Fedora. I googled for it, but couldn't find it. Can you point me to it's site?

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http://cboard.cprogramming.com/progr...al-thread.html

is a good place to start ;)

vim is almost certianly installed in some lame configuration already, type "vim" or "vi" (which is terrible), and they have some versions in .rpm packages up to the GUI gvim. But I built vim on FC10-64 from the last source and it's fine, you just have to sort out the configuration options:

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tar -xjf vim-7.2.tar.bz2
cd vim72
./configure --help | less

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if "less" isn't there for some reason leave | less off.

You want the "huge" version of vim *without* gnome or gtk or any GUI.

Google "midnight commander". They both probably require a bunch of development library packages such as ncurses, etc. To build tish you need rpms ending with -devel in additon to the basic object/executable files: eg, there is an ncurses-5.6 library, and there is a separate package ncurses-devel-5.6 with the source code so you can build executables requiring the library.