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instead of cluttering other threads with out of topic OR general questions, newbie Board Members,
who don't have enough posts to make them able to PM, can post their PMs here!
Good Luck newbies! Just a nice gesture for you from this very helpful Board :)
Happy Posting!
wow!
thanks manav!
it is a nice !dea
god bless!
Ever consider that theres a reason nubs cant PM people? *cough* SPAM *cough*
Well, if newbies are only allowed to PM other newbies, then it won't affect all the non-noobs :) It would also be pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
Yup, pointless. Which I am am assuming is why they just can't pm at all. Easier to than imlpimenting a nub2nub only pm system, which woudl also let spambots spam nubs and maybe turn them off to the site, so better to just havet eh no nub pming rule imo.
If they post their private messages here, they won't be very private will they?Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
Perspective this is the General Discussion forum... we're a simple folk... keep your logic in the programming forums, thank you very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perspective
PM to manav: Perspective doesn't understand your great idea. What a weirdo... don't tell him I said this!
Also, using "Banned" as a custom title is a great way to get yourself banned ;)
Maybe someone wants to send a PM to a new user related to some topic or whatever. So the only way to get a response is including your email address in it...
I don't see why non-newbs would need to PM eachother anyway.
Private messages are for just that reason, to keep them private.
Gentlemen and ladies do not read one another's mail.
What if 2 guys decide to cyber? Do you really want that in public messages?
What if I want to tell a friend of mine about a link like http://www.google.com? Do you really want THAT in public?
WARNING!!! THAT SITE IS EXTREMELY DISGUSTING AND IS USED ONLY FOR EXAMPLE, DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK!
corned bee: that wont stop the curious from chucking it in their url.
abachler: Dude, you're as like the people in my class only a bit more savage. Seriously considering that you are a 40 year old you seem to display yourself as "active but odd".
Can someone please simply remove that stupid link?
Yah... I'm quite sure the next mod to look at this will. CornedBee looked for the clever moderate alternative, but it won't stick.
Not to be prude... but we do have an ethical code here.
I'm not sure what defines a newbie, but I had one with less than 25 posts PM me last week to thank me for my help.
well ... this idea started, when i asked a newbie, sending a PM, to come for chat, and, (s)he could not even reply because,
newbies can't PM board members :(
so i created this thread, so to make them able to post, what would otherwise be off topic.
i also sent this thread's link to the person i invited for chat. and ... oh, not a single reply! duh!
No Thantos! Actually it is a safe escape! Mods will think I am already banned! *wink* :D lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Thantos
How do you know why he didn't reply? It sounds like this person simply did not want to talk to you honestly. People only use this board because they have questions or they can help out on their free time. I'm not sure who or how many people are looking for friends or chit chat, but maybe it's a waste of your time here.Quote:
well ... this idea started, when i asked a newbie, sending a PM, to come for chat, and, (s)he could not even reply because,
newbies can't PM board members
I agree. Choosing a programming forum like CBoard for socializing will... make you feel very lonely. I personally don't come here for that. Granted, I don't use the internet for socializing anymore anyways. The whole concept gets very screwed on this medium. But that's another matter...
I onlu use PMs in here for board related issues and the occassional chat pertaining to computers or programming in general. Those very few PMs I ever got not having to do with any of that where quickly trashed and ignored.
http://cboard.myspace.com
the end is truly neigh.....
Server not found
Firefox can't find the server at cboard.myspace.com.
* Check the address for typing errors such as
ww.example.com instead of
www.example.com
* If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer's network
connection.
* If your computer or network is protected by a firewall or proxy, make sure
that Firefox is permitted to access the Web.
That's because this isn't a socializing network. Most people don't even disclose their names, there's no point.
I know all the chicky-babes love us programmers (Esp Todd Burch -- if you've seen a picture of him**). Shame they can't PM us, that way I could get rid of that girl that dances on the start button...
lol, jk.
BTW, ** Todd the girls at Uni say you're S-X-Y -- they saw that picture you posted a while back ;)
I think Mario and Mats are real names of the respective members :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zacs7
Tell me, how to get a dancing girl on my [start] button? :) please!Quote:
Shame they can't PM us, that way I could get rid of that girl that dances on the start button...
lol, jk.
lolz. Didn't think anyone was nub enough to actually try that url, it was an obvious confabulation. The point is, this isn't myspace, if that is what you expected, then you will be somewhat disappointed. This board is all about programming, and computers, thats pretty much it. There is some discussion on other topics of interest, but no real socializing unless you consider heated political/religious/coding style arguments to be socializing, in which case forget what I said about being disappointed, you will fit right in.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
I'm pretty much convinced that you're a teenager.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
Likewise I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom
Last I checked I knew his age, but I'm not going to spoil that without permission first.
Suffice to say that manav is a little diddly-daddly even though his age.
thanks Elysia, that's a little secret of ours to keep!
if you stop thinking about C for a while, then, you will find that, cboard can be anything:
- Chat Board
- Community Board
- Crazy Board
- Cool Board
- Conversation Board
and so many other possibilities ...
my fault was that i don't always happen to assume C means the C language!
so i clicked the link :D
and i know this is not a place for meeting people, most of them are so rude (i am talking about experienced ones) they will not even reply you. wow! you could have said a polite no. but no! that's too much to ask for i guess. instead no reply. how arrogant! :(
I agree there's a little bit of attitude by some of the regulars. Actually I'm even surprised at the former candid ones that recently... after a certain event... started to sound more and more, ermm, stuckup.
But such is life and you shouldn't take that at face value, because quiet frankly those same people are in the front line when it comes to help you solve whatever problem you have with your code. I just wished sometimes they came back to earth and... you know, made dumb posts and laughed with everyone else. In short, being more good-natured instead of assuming everything which they aren't involved is a waste of time.
>I agree there's a little bit of attitude by some of the regulars.
I miss quzah :(
Can someone enlighten me as to what that certain event was ? I wasn't active for quite some time in between and when i came back, i could see no regulars :( All posts were by new people. So i was wondering what happened to everyone. Some of the people i remember who were regular back then are Ober, Axon, RoD, quzah.Quote:
Actually I'm even surprised at the former candid ones that recently... after a certain event... started to sound more and more, ermm, stuckup.
I pretty much agree. I guess it has to do something with the fact that they think they know a little more than the newbies here. They expect you to know the etiquette of posting on online forums even if it is your first time and if you don't they'll flame you :)Quote:
most of them are so rude
PING: i sent them PMs. asking for their field of interest. and asking for, if possible, having a chat!
Most of the people who visit this forum are either working or studying and pretty busy. As pointed out by everyone else, this board is not for socializing. Using the int4rw3b for socializing is pretty weird. You might want to see this wonderful comic to understand what i mean :)Quote:
PING: i sent them PMs. asking for their field of interest. and asking for, if possible, having a chat!
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You can't expect people to answer your PMs and especially to "chat". It's standard practice to not answer PMs when one doesn't feel interested in the subject. For reasons I don't feel like getting into, you must expect this behavior and accept it as normal, definitely its not rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
In fact, I'll let you munch on the following; It's rude to ask people you don't know to chat in a PM. And it's even more rude to call them rude when they don't reply.
That was entirely not what I was talking about. I complain about the open attitude of some regulars.
Though I suppose you can politely ask if someone wants to chat with you if you want to get to know them. If it's a polite request, and the requested chat partner does not respond, then I would call it rude. A simple "no" may be enough.
If the request is rude in itself, however, I wouldn't consider it an unknown possibility of a rude reply, either in text form or in the form of no reply at all.
so you determine the rudness of other people behavior based on your own estimation of the politenes of your own post? I say it it very selfish approach. You place yourself in the center of the universe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Elysia
Yah, Mario. I gotta side with the others on this one... it's no different than real life. We all communicate on the same forum... we know each other to an extent. If you went up to someone that you work with and asked them if they'd like to have lunch with you, is that rude? Wouldn't it be rude if they just ignored you?
Maybe the internet is not as "real" as talking with someone you see regularly in real-life... but they aren't asking for anything more real. They're not asking to meet you or go to a movie, they just would like to chat. I just don't see how it would be considered rude for them to ask...
Vart: "Rude" is not exactly a relative term... internet or not, generally ignoring someone is considered rude unless warranted by extremely rude behavior on the part of who you're ignoring. I also don't see how expecting a response when you approach someone is placing you in "the center of the universe." I'd say you are considering yourself more in "the center of the universe" if you believe your time is too precious to take a few seconds and say "I really don't have time to talk. Sorry."
I would have to agree with you if it wasn't for the fact for me a PM is sacred ground; one of the last few private areas. It's home. And you wouldn't like it if someone you hardly know invited himself over for tea and cookies.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom
Debatable, sure. But it still stands that for those not wanting to look at PMs as yet another chat area, their wishes must be observed. It would be rude of anyone not accepting that, no matter how "polite" the request may be.
And they are asking for something real Sly. As you could see from this thread, they are even charging. They are asking for your time and willingness to "chat". And they are charging you if you don't answer them. No can do. My PM box is mine. Not anyone else. I can accept I may get stuff in there I didn't ask. And I will not hold anything against someone asking me to chat. But in the same line, I will not like it if my privacy gets abused in such a way that I'm even called rude for "not answering a simple PM".
EDIT: If you search for chat on google you get 761 million records. That's 380 times more than World Hunger. There's plenty of other choices.
All Members of this board just ignored my post where I place the picture of my achievments with nice 3333 number of posts. You sugest me to see all members of this board to be rude? I don't think so. They are just not interested... Its their decision.Quote:
Vart: "Rude" is not exactly a relative term... internet or not, generally ignoring someone is considered rude unless warranted by extremely rude behavior on the part of who you're ignoring. I also don't see how expecting a response when you approach someone is placing you in "the center of the universe." I'd say you are considering yourself more in "the center of the universe" if you believe your time is too precious to take a few seconds and say "I really don't have time to talk. Sorry."
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No, no. Don't misunderstand, I am in no way in agreement with Manav and his opinions of CBoard and internet communication in general. However, I couldn't say I'm in complete agreement with your points and I do believe there is a more moderate stance on the issue which I was attempting to take.
In my personal experiences, people can be more real on the internet than they are in reallife. The value an anonimity allow people to open up more on the internet than they do to people they see in real life and there is less of a reason to hide who you are other than for kicks or other false satisfaction. Do people lie on the internet? Sure... but people lie in real life, too. I find the internet a perfectly reasonable place to communicate and I don't find the PM system nearly as sacred as you seem to... I would agree that if someone were harassing you by PM and spamming it daily, then you have a case... but a simple request for personal communication is in no way a crime. As for Manav... you need to tone it down and respect people's privacy... if they don't want to talk to you than they don't have to... and if they don't want you cluttering their forum with trivial nonsense (that isn't even directly to the general audience), then they are in full right to complain about it.
That's just my two cents.
Besides that, a thread and a PM are 2 completely different things, a post is just a general question/suggestion/comment/whatever that you are hopping someone has something to say about. A PM however, is a direct message to a person where you're expecting them to say something back.
Yah... ok. Except we're talking about PMs... a form of direct communication with a single person. There is a difference... and not even a subtle one. If I were to walk into a room full of people and say "Hey, everyone... look at how great I am!" I shouldn't expect a response... however, if I went up to someone and asked... well, something significantly less egotistical... I would expect a response.Quote:
Originally Posted by vart
Besides that... I would personally consider a post which pats yourself on the back to fall under the category of "extremely rude behavior on the part of who you're ignoring." Which, of course, warrants the lack of response you got on that post.
OK on the post number 4444 I will politely PM everyone just to count number of rude people here...
You don't PM that kind of thing. The PM is for private discussions, not raves or spam!
See that's where the line is sort of flakey. If someone PMs me and says I GOT 4444 POSTS LAWL then I most likely would ignore it, unless it was someone I was familiar with on the board. Then the reply would probably be something along the lines of "... k".
If someone messages me and requests to talk abotu a specific issue I would probably reply and most leklyy express my non-desire to do so. If the topic is not a specific question then not replying doesn't seem rude at all.
It's jsut one of those things that people take differently. If you feel like chatting with people, I odn't see how sending a request via PM is rude. Equally, a non-reply isn't rude either. I guess I don't see the problem!
Actually, it would be you who would be considered rude for doing that.
EDIT: meant @ vart
What else do I consider rude? Hmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by vart
How about attempting to make a valid point in a debate when you clearly haven't read the opposition's argument?
... or how about planning even more self-appreciative spam to waste our time with?
Yep, you're certainly worth ignoring from now on.
Hehe.
Anyways, you are right, Sly. There is a middle ground that not always is observed. Mostly because you get so hardened by past experiences that you just give up in being moderate. It's however a good thing to be reminded of. Thanks.
After 20 years of Microsoft (Goodbye and thank you for all the fish), I moved to Linux. The culture shock I feared never happened. Be smart.
(Goodbye and thank you for all the fish) <-- that has confused me for the past month and a half.
You see... You evaluate my message as rude - and as a result make your ignoring me - polite action. And even do not try to see my point here - that I may consider my message polite and see your ignorance as rude... You place yourself before me... But when I pointed on that earlier - You started to object... As a result - just proved my point...
The problem is some people like manav and sly seem to need to be the center of attention. If everything doesnt go their way, its because someone else is being 'rude' or 'immature', not because they are inconsiderate of other people's time or opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicious
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Have you read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicious
I have to apologize to myself because I couldn't resist this one...Quote:
Originally Posted by vart
Ok, so you can think that your ego is polite and my choice of ignoring your egotism is rude... you can also kill someone and think you're doing people a favor, but society and law would disagree. Do you think maybe that NAMBLA had a point because they thought what they were doing was acceptable behavior?
As I said... but of course, you never bothered to read... "rude" is not a relative term... it's defined by society. Now, if you want to go around and ask people if bragging about your achievements is rude, then I'm sure you be less than satisfied with your results. Thank you... now to resist temptation of replying to any more of your nonsense, I will another of this forum's great systems. The ignore list.
And you feel you are only the center of attention when you barge in and blaze your gun in offense mode. You are well known by now Abachler. There's very little you can say that is going to be taken seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
I suggest a change of attitude, but... you are too old for that, aren't you? Right.
Precisely. And me thinking it was the second most read book after the Bible. Regardless, that signature needs to change. It's old news now.Quote:
Have you read the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?
Even having sample of message 2 people evaluate differently you continue to say this... What it makes of you?..Quote:
"rude" is not a relative term...
Well there's two stances you can take:
1) Rude can be defined out of context
2) Rude is a matter of interpretation unique to each individual
Either way, this thread started out as suggesting that this forum was no place for fraternizing with your fellow programmer and is now somehow the proving grounds for a semantic debate on the word rude!
Heh, this made me think of Sarge from Quake 3 mowing down zombies with his chain gun and the sorry remains of a cigar in his mouth..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario F.
Save us from the evil zombies Abachler!!
Not at all... what we are arguing is what would be acceptable to be considered "rude," "not polite," "bad behavior," or whatever you wish to call it. The issue is that those who are too important to waste their time reading what people are posting (who just happen to be the same people that are "too important to reply to their PMs;" Not you Mario) seem to believe that if you don't completely agree with them, then you must be completely against them. As it has been said... there is a moderate stance in this issue and I've already established myself to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicious
That said... I'm pretty much done with this discussion as it's been completely worn thin and has become nothing but direct attacks and bickering. I haven't ignored the people I don't agree with... only those who put no value in the opinions of themselves of others.
Just thought I'd add to this thread's original topic: I was just sent a (solicited) private message by a user with zero posts. So I guess it isn't "no newbies can PM other members", but rather "newbies cannot PM other newbies" or something like that.
[edit] The user sent me the PM first, so it's not like a senior member has to initiate the private messaging or anything. [/edit]
Well, that's somewhat worrying that users can send PMs so early. Particularly because there's no approving mechanism in place for new subscriptions. However truth be told, it has been a non issue so far, from all I know.
It seems a little redundant to prevent new members from sending private messages to other new members, unless I guess a lot of people were just using CBoard as another form of email (you know, sign up here and you get 10,000 messages!).
I don't think I've ever gotten a spam private message.
>> I don't think I've ever gotten a spam private message.
Perhaps because of that rule?
I have received spam PMs on other boards.
well ... so those who do not reply my PM (just to say a polite no) value their time a lot!
sorry ... but i have to disagree!
in the same time i notice them posting the same old stuff (that they might have done hundreds of time) like:
indent! indent!
conio.h is poisonous!!
you post your attempt!!!
we don't do homeworks!!!!
etc. etc.
that is why, when they do not reply, i consider them "arrogant" & "rude" :(
Here's a message you sent to me last week:Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
I did not see the point of replying since it was obvious that I was looking at your profile at some point, and that you looked at my profile. You may need to use better conversational starters if you want to have a conversation with me... or just use the forum and have a public conversation like we all do.Quote:
Originally Posted by manav
EDIT:
Oh, and speaking of "arrogant and rude", I felt that your question was confrontational, like "why are you looking at my profile?"
you know i was just curious, and in all the sense of the word, plain curious, i was talking about how to know if somebody's has seen/is seeing your profile etc. and i noticed you were looking at a profile page, it was just a guess of mine (100% unsure), that, you might be looking at my profile, just a guess, i PMed you to check my assumption, and your reply in Yes would not be more good than your reply in No would be bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by laserlight
i mean it would not hurt either way, but, just a confirm of gut feeling! which would work for me if you just sent a plain reply saying either:
"yes"
OR
"no"
now ... i am sorry, but this is just plain rude behavior, i guess :(
the time spent on message likeQuote:
Originally Posted by manav
indent! indent!
conio.h is poisonous!!
you post your attempt!!!
we don't do homeworks!!!!
is time spent a lot better than time spent on message
"no I do not chat" - that nobody benefits from it
So I think It makes your rude to a lot of novices that could learn something (but they haven't) from the message that they miss to receive due to your insistence to be answered to any of your PMs
You feel you value more than any other member here?
but hey! you can clearly feel the annoyance and frustrations of members while posting such messages to newbies! right? they get disturbed, annoyed, angry!! but still reply! now if my PM also annoyed them, then, just send me a reply, saying so! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by vart
sorry, i may not remember, but, did i also PM you? :)
no i do not feel anybody should value me more (i do not even want to be valued at all)! but general human nature suggests that (actually general animal nature also suggests this), that you normally respond to others actions on you. i annoyed you? abuse me! i made you angry? kick me! i disturbed you? warn me!
I thought we are humans here? And have overrun the primary animal reactions to the environment... But If you like to be kicked in the ass:Quote:
actually general animal nature
Yes, I feel very stupid now that I have answered your PM ealier, because I have learned how rude you are.
You do not even remeber I have answered you... That adds another point of rudeness to your behavior here.
of course i said that this is human nature to react, also, i mentioned that it is so natural, that, even animals do it!Quote:
Originally Posted by vart
please do not feel bad that i forgot if i PMed you or not, i have more than 50 sent PMs in my BOX, so it's quite natural that i may forget, actually if it helps any better, then, let me tell you, that i chat with a person on this board, and usually i have to ask something again, which i had already asked before, do not feel bad, i am a little absent minded, at times! :)Quote:
Yes, I feel very stupid now that I have answered your PM ealier, because I have learned how rude you are.
You do not even remeber I have answered you... That adds another point of rudeness to your behavior here.
This has got way out of hand. Too many veiled and not-so-veiled insults, no productivity. Learn to accept that other people have different views of what's rude and what's not, and remember: never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity or laziness.