Told ya so...

ethic · 07-20-2007, 08:11 AM

See, I was right. The Nintendo Wii totally dominated over the PS3 and the 360. I knew Sony's $600 PS3 was going to flop. And it has. Horribly. I don't even think Sony can catch up now. The Wii is at more than 3Million sold in Japan, whereas the PS3 just barely hit 1Million. Sure, there'll be some amazing games for the PS3 that're sure to be system-sellers. But, same goes for the Wii, too. And it'll be easier for people to justify buying a $250 console for a game than a $600 machine. But even if, somehow, the PS3 does catch up - Nintendo still wins in terms of profit. Sony is losing millions on these PS3s; whereas Nintendo is making money off of each Wii sold.

Nintendo is brilliant at marketing. Even the most anti-Nintendo person has to admit that. I mean, they were able to take a middle-aged, Italian plumber and turn him into a pop icon for millions of children around the world. And the parents don't even object to it. They don't object to their 5 year olds playing with this guy. Objectively, it's a creepy concept. However, because of Nintendo's amazing marketing department - we all love Mario and his even-more-creepy brother Luigi.

Plus, Peach is like, what, 14 year old or something? Yet, she's totally dating Mario. That's all sorts of wrong. But we accept it as cute. Bravo Nintendo. Bravo.

I don't even have a Wii.

That's all.

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Mario F. · 07-20-2007, 08:16 AM

I wouldn't consider the japanese market a good indicator of the world market tendencies (despite being so huge with gadgets). Besides, what sells well in Kenya, doesn't necessarily in Germany.

As for the PS3, it takes times. Many people invested much on their PS2 and games are still scarce. Give it time.

Your Wii will wee on its pants.

ethic · 07-20-2007, 08:21 AM

Okay, then we'll look at the worldwide market. The Wii is over 9million and the PS3 is at under 4million. They lost and it doesn't seem like they can recover. They've been number one for 12 years or so. The problem is, Sony is afraid of taking chances. Just look at their controller. It's been basically the same since the beginning. Tsk. Tsk.

We beat Sony.

SMurf · 07-20-2007, 01:06 PM

I'm surprised the Wii is doing so well considering what Nintendo's doing in certain markets - my one (the UK), for example.

You will not find a Wii available to buy in any shop. Everywhere "sells" them, yet none have any stock for most of the year. Rather than pallet-loads of consoles they seem to ship individual units to retailers. I waited just over a month for Amazon to get... I can't imagine it being more than about 11 consoles, which sold out within 2 hours of a morning.

The problem is, it's no longer launch day. People expect to be able to walk into a shop and buy what they want. The PS3 is available. So our options are currently paying ~£450 ($924 at today's rate) for a PS3 or trying to pay £180 for a console we can't have.

Yes, their marketing is clearly superior.

Neo1 · 07-20-2007, 02:38 PM

Sony is doing it all wrong, they did what Microsoft did with the XBOX 1.

In the previous generation, MS spent a long time developing a very potent gaming machine, with spectacular hardware, but in the meantime, Sonys little 230mHz PS2 was selling out. By the time the XBOX hit the market, the PS2 had been there for over a year, and everybody had gotten the PS, not wanting to wait for the XBOX.

During this year, the PS2 prices went down 25%, so even though they were similarly priced at launch, the PS2 was alot cheaper than the XBOX when the XBOX first came out. Also, the PS2 had accumulated one years worth of games, while the XBOX was an entirely fresh platform with next to no titles. This lead to very poor sales figures for MS. They were trying to sell technology, rather than a gaming console. So even though the XBOX was the superior console by a wide margin, Sony still sold far more PS2's, simply because they didn't wait for technology, but just released ASAP.

Why the hell Sony didn't repeat that succes this time around, beats me. Instead of doing the same thing, they decided to wait for Blu-Ray to become available, they had IBM develop this amazing 8 core Cell CPU and the results pretty much speaks for itself.

This time, MS got the 1 year advantage, they literally halfed the price of the base model 360 during that year, they got several major titles out for the 360, most notably Gears Of War, and the XboX 360 Elite almost matches the superior PS3.

So by the time the PS3 came out, it cost the same as 2 Xbox 360s, it had virtually no games available, and all it had that the 360 didn't, was a Blu-Ray drive and a Linux Distro, but to the average customer, this makes no difference whatsoever, who cares if the disc can hold 7 or 30 GBs? The games are good anyhow.

Sony pretty much screwed themselves over.

This discussion however, isn't about the 360 is it? Why on earth are you comparing the PS3 to the Wii? Wii is a totally different thing, and the target consumer groups are not the same.

PS3 and 360 is a traditional console with focus on graphics and sound quality, and versatility, like being able to play HD-DVD and synching with your PC and stuff, while the Wii, is all about Gameplay, and new ways to freshen up old concepts. The wii costs like ½ of aPS3, but has very poor performance. The people that would by a Wii, is essentially the same kind of people that would buy a Mac (Yay, sweeping generalizations!). They are on the lookout for something different and exciting, the Wii also happens to be cheap. A person that buys a Ps3 is more like someone who would buy a top of the line Desktop computer to be able to play FEAR in 1900X1200, traditional and high performance.

In essence, it's like comparing a Mercedes to a Toyota, it just doesn't add up. Oh, and consider the 9 million Wii's sold, let's assume a Wii costs 390$ (I'm not american, so i don't know what the price is over there). Consider the 4 million PS3s then, at 499$ per unit.

Nintendo: 390 X 9 Mill = 3510000000
Sony: 499 X 4 Mill = 1996000000

Suddenly, Sonys losses doesn't look that big afterall. Oh, and since we're comparing apples and bananas here, take a look at the Microsoft sales:

MS: 399 (20GB model) X 11,6 Mill = 4628400000

I would hate to sound too much like an MS fanboy, but to me, it seems like MS left Nintendo and Sony in the dust.

ethic · 07-20-2007, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo1

Oh, and consider the 9 million Wii's sold, let's assume a Wii costs 390$ (I'm not american, so i don't know what the price is over there). Consider the 4 million PS3s then, at 499$ per unit.

Nintendo: 390 X 9 Mill = 3,510,000,000
Sony: 499 X 4 Mill = 1,996,000,000

Suddenly, Sonys losses doesn't look that big afterall. Oh, and since we're comparing apples and bananas here, take a look at the Microsoft sales:

This makes no sense. The Wii is $250US, with Nintendo profiting on each console sold. The PS3 is $599US; with Sony taking a loss on each PS3 sold. Your math doesn't show Sony's losses; it shows how much they made back (even though your console prices are wrong).

Quote:

MS: 399 (20GB model) X 11,6 Mill = 4,628,400,000

I would hate to sound too much like an MS fanboy, but to me, it seems like MS left Nintendo and Sony in the dust.

Well, they didn't. They didn't leave anybody in the dust. Microsoft is in all sorts of suck with their machine. They're not profiting at all. Not to mention all the money they're spending on broken 360s.

Nintendo is the only company making a profit.

pianorain · 07-20-2007, 03:15 PM

*tries to stay out of the thread*

I agree with Ethic.

Crap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo1

PS3 and 360 is a traditional console with focus on graphics and sound quality, and versatility, like being able to play HD-DVD and synching with your PC and stuff, while the Wii, is all about Gameplay, and new ways to freshen up old concepts. The wii costs like ½ of aPS3, but has very poor performance.

I don't buy the "our graphics are better" line of defense any more. Graphics are nothing more than pictures to look at. Graphics are boring. Give me an actual game to play, with challenges a bit more than "hit the buttons in this order", "shoot them in the head", or "talk to everyone in the game". (Which is why Nethack continues to be awesome, while Madden '05 is in the bargain bin.)

You do put it very well, though. The PS3 and the 360 are indeed old-fashioned, traditional consoles, while the Wii is very much about innovation. I won't say that the not-Nintendo consoles are doing everything wrong. LiveArcade is a very sweet feature for the 360; the lack of such a feature on the Wii is a disappointment. I'm sure some development team over at Nintendo is work on said feature right now to fill up one of those little 48 screens.

Further consider that Nintendo actually makes a profit on each Wii unit, while both Microsoft and Sony take a loss for each console that they sell. How's that for innovation? A company actually makes a profit instead of taking a loss.

ethic · 07-20-2007, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo1

I would hate to sound too much like an MS fanboy, but to me, it seems like MS left Nintendo and Sony in the dust.

Hi. Me again. Just read this:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=6507&Itemid=2

Microsoft Xbox division just posted a $1.9Billion loss.

lol.

Neo1 · 07-20-2007, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethic

This makes no sense. The Wii is $250US, with Nintendo profiting on each console sold. The PS3 is $599US; with Sony taking a loss on each PS3 sold. Your math doesn't show Sony's losses; it shows how much they made back (even though your console prices are wrong).

Well, they didn't. They didn't leave anybody in the dust. Microsoft is in all sorts of suck with their machine. They're not profiting at all. Not to mention all the money they're spending on broken 360s.

Nintendo is the only company making a profit.

Well, as i said, i don't know about the american prices, i just looked it up on google and assumed it was correct.

Regardless of who makes the most money, your logic is still just as flawed as my pricing, the Wii is a different product entirely, and comparing it to PS3 makes little sense.

Neo1 · 07-20-2007, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethic

Hi. Me again. Just read this:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=6507&Itemid=2

Microsoft Xbox division just posted a $1.9Billion loss.

lol.

Point taken...

Neo1 · 07-20-2007, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pianorain

Crap.I don't buy the "our graphics are better" line of defense any more. Graphics are nothing more than pictures to look at. Graphics are boring. Give me an actual game to play, with challenges a bit more than "hit the buttons in this order", "shoot them in the head", or "talk to everyone in the game". (Which is why Nethack continues to be awesome, while Madden '05 is in the bargain bin.)

Well, even if you don't buy it, that's still the way it goes. You know, it's not impossible to have an actual game, and the main focus on graphics, at the same time, there are a lot of games out there that prooves this.

divineleft · 07-20-2007, 03:34 PM

lol @ you guys taking sides with corporations

SlyMaelstrom · 07-20-2007, 06:02 PM

I don't get your point... does this make the Wii better than the PS3? I mean, I guarantee the Hyundai Accent sells better than the BMW M6, but does that make it a better car? Does it make the M6 a flop? I think you're comparing apples to oranges here.

BobMcGee123 · 07-20-2007, 07:08 PM

I for one am personally blown away. I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF IN THE FACE.

Sentral · 07-20-2007, 07:32 PM

I think the Wii is just a system everybody will buy, but nobody will play. Something that you only use when a lot of people are over.

07-20-2007, 08:11 AM	#1
ethic Badly Drawn Boy Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 1,201	Told ya so... See, I was right. The Nintendo Wii totally dominated over the PS3 and the 360. I knew Sony's $600 PS3 was going to flop. And it has. Horribly. I don't even think Sony can catch up now. The Wii is at more than 3Million sold in Japan, whereas the PS3 just barely hit 1Million. Sure, there'll be some amazing games for the PS3 that're sure to be system-sellers. But, same goes for the Wii, too. And it'll be easier for people to justify buying a $250 console for a game than a $600 machine. But even if, somehow, the PS3 does catch up - Nintendo still wins in terms of profit. Sony is losing millions on these PS3s; whereas Nintendo is making money off of each Wii sold. Nintendo is brilliant at marketing. Even the most anti-Nintendo person has to admit that. I mean, they were able to take a middle-aged, Italian plumber and turn him into a pop icon for millions of children around the world. And the parents don't even object to it. They don't object to their 5 year olds playing with this guy. Objectively, it's a creepy concept. However, because of Nintendo's amazing marketing department - we all love Mario and his even-more-creepy brother Luigi. Plus, Peach is like, what, 14 year old or something? Yet, she's totally dating Mario. That's all sorts of wrong. But we accept it as cute. Bravo Nintendo. Bravo. I don't even have a Wii. That's all. Thread for reference: $600 Playstation 3 __________________ Staying away from General. Last edited by ethic; 07-20-2007 at 08:23 AM.
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07-20-2007, 08:16 AM	#2
Mario F. (?<!re)tired Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 5,220	I wouldn't consider the japanese market a good indicator of the world market tendencies (despite being so huge with gadgets). Besides, what sells well in Kenya, doesn't necessarily in Germany. As for the PS3, it takes times. Many people invested much on their PS2 and games are still scarce. Give it time. Your Wii will wee on its pants. __________________ Originally Posted by brewbuck: Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster. Last edited by Mario F.; 07-20-2007 at 08:20 AM.
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07-20-2007, 08:21 AM	#3
ethic Badly Drawn Boy Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 1,201	Okay, then we'll look at the worldwide market. The Wii is over 9million and the PS3 is at under 4million. They lost and it doesn't seem like they can recover. They've been number one for 12 years or so. The problem is, Sony is afraid of taking chances. Just look at their controller. It's been basically the same since the beginning. Tsk. Tsk. We beat Sony. __________________ Staying away from General.
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07-20-2007, 01:06 PM	#4
SMurf Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Newport, South Wales, UK Posts: 1,094	I'm surprised the Wii is doing so well considering what Nintendo's doing in certain markets - my one (the UK), for example. You will not find a Wii available to buy in any shop. Everywhere "sells" them, yet none have any stock for most of the year. Rather than pallet-loads of consoles they seem to ship individual units to retailers. I waited just over a month for Amazon to get... I can't imagine it being more than about 11 consoles, which sold out within 2 hours of a morning. The problem is, it's no longer launch day. People expect to be able to walk into a shop and buy what they want. The PS3 is available. So our options are currently paying ~£450 ($924 at today's rate) for a PS3 or trying to pay £180 for a console we can't have. Yes, their marketing is clearly superior.
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07-20-2007, 02:38 PM	#5
Neo1 Internet Superhero Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 449	Sony is doing it all wrong, they did what Microsoft did with the XBOX 1. In the previous generation, MS spent a long time developing a very potent gaming machine, with spectacular hardware, but in the meantime, Sonys little 230mHz PS2 was selling out. By the time the XBOX hit the market, the PS2 had been there for over a year, and everybody had gotten the PS, not wanting to wait for the XBOX. During this year, the PS2 prices went down 25%, so even though they were similarly priced at launch, the PS2 was alot cheaper than the XBOX when the XBOX first came out. Also, the PS2 had accumulated one years worth of games, while the XBOX was an entirely fresh platform with next to no titles. This lead to very poor sales figures for MS. They were trying to sell technology, rather than a gaming console. So even though the XBOX was the superior console by a wide margin, Sony still sold far more PS2's, simply because they didn't wait for technology, but just released ASAP. Why the hell Sony didn't repeat that succes this time around, beats me. Instead of doing the same thing, they decided to wait for Blu-Ray to become available, they had IBM develop this amazing 8 core Cell CPU and the results pretty much speaks for itself. This time, MS got the 1 year advantage, they literally halfed the price of the base model 360 during that year, they got several major titles out for the 360, most notably Gears Of War, and the XboX 360 Elite almost matches the superior PS3. So by the time the PS3 came out, it cost the same as 2 Xbox 360s, it had virtually no games available, and all it had that the 360 didn't, was a Blu-Ray drive and a Linux Distro, but to the average customer, this makes no difference whatsoever, who cares if the disc can hold 7 or 30 GBs? The games are good anyhow. Sony pretty much screwed themselves over. This discussion however, isn't about the 360 is it? Why on earth are you comparing the PS3 to the Wii? Wii is a totally different thing, and the target consumer groups are not the same. PS3 and 360 is a traditional console with focus on graphics and sound quality, and versatility, like being able to play HD-DVD and synching with your PC and stuff, while the Wii, is all about Gameplay, and new ways to freshen up old concepts. The wii costs like ½ of aPS3, but has very poor performance. The people that would by a Wii, is essentially the same kind of people that would buy a Mac (Yay, sweeping generalizations!). They are on the lookout for something different and exciting, the Wii also happens to be cheap. A person that buys a Ps3 is more like someone who would buy a top of the line Desktop computer to be able to play FEAR in 1900X1200, traditional and high performance. In essence, it's like comparing a Mercedes to a Toyota, it just doesn't add up. Oh, and consider the 9 million Wii's sold, let's assume a Wii costs 390$ (I'm not american, so i don't know what the price is over there). Consider the 4 million PS3s then, at 499$ per unit. Nintendo: 390 X 9 Mill = 3510000000 Sony: 499 X 4 Mill = 1996000000 Suddenly, Sonys losses doesn't look that big afterall. Oh, and since we're comparing apples and bananas here, take a look at the Microsoft sales: MS: 399 (20GB model) X 11,6 Mill = 4628400000 I would hate to sound too much like an MS fanboy, but to me, it seems like MS left Nintendo and Sony in the dust. Last edited by Neo1; 07-20-2007 at 02:42 PM.
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07-20-2007, 03:34 PM	#12
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