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| Folding@Home Cboard team? For those who don't know what Folding is, more info can be found here: http://folding.stanford.edu/ Last edited by jverkoey; 03-23-2005 at 11:17 PM. |
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| Didnt we try this before? |
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| Yah, looks like you guys did, before I got here though. SETI@home Didn't realize you'd tried it before. Well, if people still want to do it, feel free to join up, no obligations or anything. |
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| I'll sign up. |
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| Switch to BOINC, you can run several different projects at the same time. I run all of the BOINC enabled projects available, (although LHC is not accepting new members at the moment). http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/ http://climateapps2.oucs.ox.ac.uk/cpdnboinc/index.php http://lhcathome.cern.ch/ http://predictor.scripps.edu/index.php http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/ Note, classic Seti@Home switched to BOINC last summer and the old system will be closing in about a month.
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| BAH... BOINC only works on star crap... I'd rather put my pc computing time towards something worth it like finding cures for diseases. By the way, I join the FAH cprog team and already completed 2 units. |
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| I forgot to turn mine on after i played AA the other day, sorry lol. |
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| how much of the CPU does it consume while its running?
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| anybody part of any whatpulse teams? I am, but was wondering if anybody wanted to start a Cboard team... edit: I'm in on folding - it's looking for something actually worth looking for, and you can control how much of your CPU it's using.
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| So you just run a program to help out research?
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| yeah, you've never heard of distributed computing?
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| Our team's doing pretty good so far, I've got 3 puters running the program and kasten's got 2 running it, and so far we've processed 16 work units...we need more cboarders to join! |
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| I'm on board, but I don't have much horsepower to contribute. |
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| I think I'll install it on my wife's computer tonite. |
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yeah, I'm onboard too, but have the same situation... I'm about 34.25 frames into my first work unit.
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| >>> BOINC only works on star crap Err, nope, you like folding proteins? http://predictor.scripps.edu/index.php
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| Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly does predicting proteins do? |
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| I joined as well, since its doing something usefull when im not doing anything i dont bother.
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| I joined, but it doesn't show me on the team page yet, do I have to finish 1 whole thing before I show up? |
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| I joined too, and I have about a day left for my first WU (151/400). I just have to remember not to log off when I leave the computer
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| danggg... my computers must be old 6/400 for my first computer and 0/2500 for my other one Hmmm, I think I'll add my good computer to the network later |
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| I've run about 5 or 6 now and they've come in a variety of sizes. |
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Is there any page where we can check the meaning of these errors ? (it´s not in their faq though, unless i overlooked it ...)
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| I just started it. Which side of the bar where you configure CPU usage is 100%? How long does a frame take for you guys? For me its about 16 min
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Desktop pentium4 2.8ghz 1m:12s/frame Both CPU slide bar set to the rightmost; laptop's task manager reports 100% CPU usage, desktop 50%.
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| AMD Athlon 64 3000+ - 1 min 22s not sure about my other two puters, but this is my fastest one. I'm currently at 2025 out of 2500 for this work unit. |
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| ?! One frame is 16 min for me on 100% usage
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| Work Units yeah, one work unit takes me about 30 minutes on 40% what work units are you working on... mine is p1132_l939_k12m_355k find out what you're really working on here includes deadlines and a pretty picture (if you click description), among other things.
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| I have my P4 3.4GHz at 100% and my wife's P4 2.4GHz at about 80%... Mine takes about half the time hers does for a frame, but I haven't looked to see what % of the CPU is actualy being used. And I put both of mine under the same name. |
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| We're doin' pretty good so far with this Folding@Home team, in 2 weeks we've jumped in to the top 20% and still climbing. So far I think we've been doing about 2 WU's a day which is really good. Let's get some more people here joinin' though! I'm sure there's a lot of people here with spare computers lying around! |
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| Just finished my first WU .I dont know wether it was just the excitement or my computer but the last frames where really taking a long time to complete .
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| I tried putting the mac os x GUI and CLI on my mac os 10, but if I hit display protein in the gui it will start and then start 10 seconds later and freeze. With the CLI it won't respond to any of my commands whatsoever. Anybody know what I should do besides throw the mac out the window?
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| Use it as a boat anchor? |
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| Boat anchor??
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| Reference to a mac video....I've got it on my puter here. It's pretty funny. |
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and, we got these: http://vspx27.stanford.edu/awards/tc...43476&pts=9097 http://vspx27.stanford.edu/awards/tc...=57&t=wus&bg=4
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| Ive downloaded it and im running it on my old win98 700Mhz box. Ill put it on my laptop as well later |
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| I saw that a F@H BOINC client was in beta at one of the BOINC sites. Great I thought, I'll be able to do a bit of F@H as well. I went to the F@H site to get the details. Couldn't find anything official so went to the forums. Wow, you mention you are interested in a BOINC system and you get ROASTED man. They believe they can do it alone. Fine, instead of giving them my CPU cycles, I'll give it to someone else. With a welcome like that, F@H deserves all it doesn't get.
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| I can't work out why my name isn't coming up on the team stats page and on my user stats page it says that my score is 451 and WU's are 3 when it is obvious to me that I havent completed any WU's yet. [edit]nm i started a new user name just incase i was using someone elses
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| Quick question... I've been running 2,500,000 steps for at least a day of processor time now using the console app. It it only 32% (800,000) done. I have it set to use no more than 50% (noise control for my fan), but this seems excessively long from what I've been reading. Anyone know what might be up? |
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| Some WU's take a long time to do, just depends on the luck of the draw. |
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| Some do take a very very long time, first one i did had 2500 frames . By now ive finished 3 WU , 2 of 250 frames each and one of 250 frames. Its really just luck wether you have a big WU or a small one, but your "points" are not calculated by how many WU´s you finish but rather by the size and time it takes to finish them.
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| i have had the f@h for a while but i kinda just joined the cboard team when i saw jverkoeys sig it says ive finished 62 WUs? bah all your statistics get erased once you join a team
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| Hello there... I guess I will be adding some of my processing power to this group. Party on... **Edit: Are you guys using the GUI or the Console version? I was thinking of going console on all my computers.
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| I use the GUI. |
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| Yeah... after I saw that it ran in the background, I decided to run the GUI as well. Two computers down... two to go.
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| GUI version... Kermi: the first one I had was done in about 7 days at 40%.
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| I'm sooo going to blow you all away by about noon or a little after today... both my computer and my wife's computer are working on 2500 WUs and they're both scheduled to finish today. |
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| Anyone know how I can change the options in the console without reinstalling it? I waited until it finished the last WU so I could -config it, but it never game me a chance to type before moving on to "Finishing a Frame (1)" etc. |
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| I'm sure you could download the GUI version and control it that way. I don't know squat about the console version, however. Did you look at the FAQ on their site? |
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| Yea I did, it tells you the commands, but not what you need to do to type them in. I'mk nearing the point of going GUI, but I don't want the graphics or other nuicances that come with it. |
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| Hey, long time no see Betazep.
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| The GUI isn't that annoying... hell, I never even see it unless I want to. It's just a tray icon with features to me. |
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clarification: I think once it's running it's running... the only way to configure it is before it starts... as in you stop it and restart it with a switch.
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| I was using the GUI version but my fullscreen apps kept on losing focus to it. So now I'm using the console version.
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| Argg...anyone got project p1476_tet_2nm? It's obscene...126006 atoms and 125 frames (the project website says 100, but it's lying). Sure, it's worth 364 points, but it'll take more than 23 days to run on my machine. [edit] My bad...apparently the GUI version is lying about the estimated time to finish until it finishes the first couple frames or so. Looks like it'll only take 43 hours.
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| I just joined as kriserickson. I don't know how much I believe in the usefulness of this, but I am bored
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| I just found a (semi) GUI version for you KDE users out there... http://members.shaw.ca/khessels/kfolding/index.html it still runs the console version, but it also has a nice applet you can put on your taskbar that shows it's progress... it also (supposedly - see below) has something like the windows GUI version, where it draws the molecule you're computing. below: That part isn't working on my system--it comes up, but the options are all greyed out and the window doesn't render anything at all. but the progress bar applet is working. edit: it probably does work, but I f'ed something up and OpenGL isn't working on my box...
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| I think this thing is losing steam. I was gone for 4 full days with my computer off and no one has replaced me as #1. What is going on?? Where is your dedication, people? |
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| Dude, you started way before us. Anyhow, jawib seems to be on fire.
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| I haven't been at my house for over a week (view my site tomorrow or something for more updates, pictures and things, wheee). But yah, I don't even know if my computer's even on or not...but I've been setting up F@H on all these lan computers, hahahaha! |
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| I'd probably be #1 by now, but every once in a while my dad restarts the computer when I'm at school and doesn't log in on my desktop...By the sound of it, though, I won't be keeping my #2 rank for long heh
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