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    (?<!re)tired Mario F.'s Avatar
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    A way out of Google

    I can no longer identify with this company and its business practices centered on pushing the social network to all its services. I foresee a moment when I can no longer avoid Google+. Just recently I had to delete a Google+ account because it is now required if I wish to post a video or even comment on YouTube. It should only be a matter of time until public pressure will be insufficient or just not interested anymore in stopping Google from intruding the social network into all its services.

    I have a gmail account I'm about to close or just start ignoring. I've been a user since their beta days, when you could still create a 6 letter gmail account. I still have their welcome email from August, 2004.

    I'm trying to look for an alternative. But it's becoming hard. This is not yet the moment a company/service emerges that challenges the increasingly bad business of the industry. Google did this much back in 1998 when it challenged the Portal culture. Apparently it's someone else turn to challenge the Social Network culture and provide clean and free web services.

    I'll be happy to know of your suggestions in alternatives to gmail. Please keep in mind I don't use social networks of any kind (don't even ever created an account on places like facebook or twitter) and that email is my most important means of communication bar no one. I require a service I can trust and of high quality that thinks of emails simply and just as emails.

    Note: Yes, the best service is my own email server. But, I can't afford to run one since I cannot guarantee uptime of any kind from my current location.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    >I foresee a moment when I can no longer avoid Google+.
    Probably true.

    >comment on YouTube.
    This has simply destroyed youtube comments! I remember that I when I would go to a video and check the comments below, the 1st one, at least, with a big chance was a comment that you would enjoy reading!
    Now, the g+ thing has made people to feel like that are oblidged to create a g+ account, which is bad, because you directly make the user feel he has no free will and he must create an account, to comment on youtube (two things that have NOTHING in common). One guy said me: "By this way you will see more comments of people that you may know..". For several reasons (most of them don't have an account), this simply doesn't happen and I no longer scroll down to the commens, since the top one doesn't exist or is not at the top!

    I remember my friend from my uni telling me that G+ has made and it was going to get full of people and "wow, we need to create an account there".. So ok, I just created, because my friend told me. If I was "pseudo-invited" to create one, I am pretty sure I wouldn't! When G+ was created many people thought it would tear facebook appart. This isn't the case, until so far at least. Google sees that its loosing and starts "oblidging" people to create an account. Not good in my opinion!

    About the gmail however, I do not have a problem. Well obvisouly std10093 you do not, since you already have an account.. ) hihihi!

    My dad uses yahoo mail. It might be good!

    >The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    >The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.
    I understand that this can be found funny by many, but the programmer MUST be that stupid to do this. Not so clever job in my opinion.
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    I opened a hotmail account in 1998, and it is still working.

    One service that I have always been curious about is hush mail. For the free service you get 25 MB of storage, but you have to sign in at least once every 3 weeks. If you decide to pay for the service you can get more storage and IMAP/POP forwarding.

    This is a bit of a different perk but the terms of service are also very nicely written.
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    I require a service I can trust and of high quality that thinks of emails simply and just as emails.
    O_o

    For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume you typed "and doesn't scrape my communication/address book for third-party advertisers".

    Sorry, I don't know of any offering. I wish I did, but I know for a fact that many scrape addresses. (I used a "honey pot" name when I registered.) I just don't think you'll find anything good.

    That said, if you do, please, please let us know.

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    Note: Yes, the best service is my own email server. But, I can't afford to run one since I cannot guarantee uptime of any kind from my current location.
    How about a virtual private server? Some go for quite cheap. I pay $20/month and use it to host email, a website, VPN, and a few other misc things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    I opened a hotmail account in 1998, and it is still working.
    I had done this too, more recently, when MSN was hot. MSN got closed. Most of the people using MSN created a hotmail account. MSN is out of scope now, thus I wouldn't create a hotmail account now.
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    I don't know, man, have you ever used Chromium? It's pretty boss. Not the OS but the web browser. It's blue Chrome!

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    While I certainly object to Google's pushing of G+, my solution simply to register under G+ with a fake name (they haven't caught me yet!) and just ignore everything in G+.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    Google doesn't have their users in mind, only their affiliates. Who can blame them? No one pays for GMail. The only way you'll ever be able to expect anything out of a service is when you pay for it.
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    Elysia said:
    >they haven't caught me yet!
    I do not think they ever will (bothet to do so).
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    It’s 2014 and I still use printf() for debugging.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phantomotap View Post
    For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume you typed "and doesn't scrape my communication/address book for third-party advertisers".
    Nah. Within reason, I'm not concerned about spam. This would reduce my option to a very probable 0 email services.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    How about a virtual private server? Some go for quite cheap. I pay $20/month and use it to host email, a website, VPN, and a few other misc things.
    Currently I'm just looking for a free web mail service.

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    One service that I have always been curious about is hush mail.
    The 25MB limit killed it for me. I mean, It's not like I need gigabytes. But their free 25 MB offer is frankly low.

    I will keep looking for something.... Thanks everyone.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    I will keep looking for something.... Thanks everyone.
    You discarded yahoo mail I suggested?
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    Yes. Yahoo and Hotmail (now outlook.com) are miles away from what I want. I want a web mail service. And only a web mail service.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Within reason, I'm not concerned about spam.
    O_o

    Well, spam isn't my issue, but fair enough for you.

    The 25MB limit killed it for me. I mean, It's not like I need gigabytes. But their free 25 MB offer is frankly low.
    Well, I was going to recommend a cloud service (That is, you'd run your own email server using cloud hardware.), but you seem to have an unspecified limit on funds so until you provide those numbers I can't suggest anything.

    [Edit]
    To be clear, the offering by "Hushmail" is $50.00 (USD) a year with 10 GiB, but you only referenced the free service so I'm assuming the cost is the problem for that level.
    [/Edit]

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    Maybe this is a silly question, but why is posting videos on youtube or commenting about such videos important enough that you would create a google+ account, despite your other objections?
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    Right 98% of the time, and don't care about the other 3%.

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