I prefer not to :)
I prefer not to :)
You know what you could do, print a book on papercraft and then steal the paper you didn't print on for practice. Meta.
Print 800 empty pages - Take the empty pages home and use the paper for your printer.
What is all this kerfuffle about?
The OP didn't say that they had a resource to waste, and ask the best way to waste that resource.
They said they had an opportunity to get information and asked our opinions about the best kind of information to get.
I'm as much for the environment as those arguing against this post - but seriously, aren't these arguments a bit much?
It's as if someone posted, asking, "I have an Amazon gift card, what are some good books I should consider getting?" Would people get all crazy about the environment in that case?
Refusing to print something in order to "save a few trees" is a logical fallacy. Paper is not "made to order," and just refusing to print something does not mean that the paper manufacturers will call the lumberjacks and tell them to cut down one less tree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
Sure, it's possible to affect change by reaching out to the right people through the appropriate channels, but this argument on this forum is hardly going to do any good to the movement.
Quote: "Paper is not "made to order," and just refusing to print something does not mean that the paper manufacturers will call the lumberjacks and tell them to cut down one less tree.
Here, the fallacy would be that a < 0.000001 percent consumer would have an effect on the overall paper industry, as described above.
Okay, how's this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Subsonics;
I'm glad you didn't bring up the e-book [bleh] thing ... people are always uncomfortable when I point out that much of the electricity we use is generated from oil.Quote:
According to this logic, anyone who wants to buy a new physical book is "contributing to the problem."
Your argument is, in fact the fallacy, your claim is that a particular individual has no impact in a group of other individuals exactly like it.
Where is that? I live in Australia, where most of our electricity is produced by coal.Quote:
that most of the electricity we use is generated from oil.
We are a fairly dumb species in some ways, aren't we...
Originally Posted by The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Paper manufacturers are subject to supply and demand (which is different than "made to order"), but it's not as simple as a 1 to 1 translation. They do not take every single paper order and make that much paper for the week. Instead, they use complex formulae based on previous quantities and expected quantities to arrive at a general target product level. The trick is to avoid making too much paper (more inventory counts against the company's assets) and too little paper (obviously they want to satisfy orders).Quote:
Originally Posted by wikipedia
Your answer: nobody,
my answer: everybody.
Other examples can be made, of say responsibilities in large organizations, or a concept like voting.
26 posts. Not even the half of them are direct answers. And almost all (if not all of the users) that answered are experienced ones. I would like to thank the people that answered as they should do and especially Matticus.
And as a matter of fact, as a president of the students for many years, I have organized many reforestation and recycling activities (most of them firstly organized by me, especially after the big fire in Mt. Immitos ) (you see that on my CV too).
My mother, a teacher, has been for years organizing activities for cleaning beaches and the sea, in association with Helmepa and still does.
My brother, continued the environmental activities when he became the president.
The point is not to make comments on internet, but really to do something for the environment. I prefer talking with actions, so I stop here.
According to those environmentalists, it's these millions plus the industries that serve them that are ruining our oh-so-fragile planet. This makes every single individual as responsible as everyone else. Which results in that single individual actions to be either for or against the planet.
The problem is one of simple logic.
* I shall not profess Save The Planet ideology if I don't give the example.
* I shall not profess Save The Planet ideology, if I believe it's someone else's concern, not mine.
* I shall not profess Save The Planet ideology, if I'm not ready to change my consumer habits.
Everything else is open hypocrisy or, worse, laziness. Believing that my impact is so negligible that it won't matter what I do is both.
Poor guy... I do not do them to state them off, I am doing them because they feel right.