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    There we go again.

    You guys really, really, need to sit over and get to terms on this closing threads policy. It's offensive, it's rude and quite frankly irritates me personally more than the actual flamewars you seem to see everywhere.

    This post is not an aggression towards you moderators. It's a real point of concern of mine, a criticism, and a request for you to moderate your moderation. Allow us adults to discuss on our own terms. If something bothers you, do not use your moderator power to do what no other person on this forums can, unless you got a specific request to moderate a thread by one of the persons involved. And, for pete's sake, do not close threads without at least giving proper warning! What's this, a power trip!? I'm really sick of it.

    I strongly reject this behavior. If this is behavior passed down to you by the webmaster, I strongly urge you to reconsider, regroup and realign. Especially when it comes to the General board, you must not make of these forums your personal playground. I respect ownership of the forums. I do. But I'm sure we can reach a happier compromise in which webmaster can retain control of how these forums behave and how they look to the outside, without that meaning moderators behaving like an authoritarian ethical movement for hyper sensitive mothers.

    If a moderator doesn't like the course of a thread, don't read it. If you feel you should, place a warning things are getting out of hand. But don't use the close thread button as if you ride a high horse of moral and ethical behavior. There's nothing more rude than closing a thread off the bat. If you can't see this, you have no place being a moderator!
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    I'm in agreement. The thread was on it's way... but that was still prematurely closed... again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    Allow us adults to discuss on our own terms.
    I agree. So discuss by starting a new thread that is back on topic, without all that childish behaviour. Feel free to link to the closed thread in the first post of the new thread.
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    Who are you to call a child to anyone? If you come down of your high horse, I'll allow you the benefit of a rebuttal. Until then, I'll just consider you as offensive as the people you thought you were moderating.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Who are you to call a child to anyone? If you come down of your high horse, I'll allow you the benefit of a rebuttal. Until then, I'll just consider you as offensive as the people you thought you were moderating.
    Are you reading the same thing I am[EDIT] LASER POST ABOVE?[/EDIT] I believe what Laser is referring to is the nonsensical banter between Quzah and the new kid which basically took over the thread. The thread ceased being about cross posting or even normal banter and turned into a d**k measuring contest. I don't think the gun was jumped in this case, even with it being in GD.
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    Now, please, for the love of all things good and holy, think about what you're doing! Don't just run around willy-nilly, coding like a drunk two-year-old....
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    Calling someone a liar, and troll is name calling hypocrite, and a few others where used to.
    Those all are ways to insult which is against the rules, aside that the thread was not about ALL mod problems but rather one, and even then it was having three deferent conversations at once, it was off topic.
    Was I evolved in it? You bet, yeah, I was. I also agree I was wrong, in trying to say "get back on topic" I got sucked in, and added to the off topicness
    but it was off topic long before I got in to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    Who are you to call a child to anyone?
    I did not call anyone a child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    If you come down of your high horse, I'll allow you the benefit of a rebuttal. Until then, I'll just consider you as offensive as the people you thought you were moderating.
    You should read the thread. I had a few choices in mind:
    • Do nothing.
    • Edit out the flames.
    • Close the thread with a recommendation to continue anew.

    Any and all of the three will satisfy some people and displease others. I chose the one that I felt was best for the community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewHunter View Post
    Are you reading the same thing I am? I believe what Laser is referring to is the nonsensical banter between Quzah and the new kid which basically took over the thread. The thread ceased being about cross posting or even normal banter and turned into a d**k measuring contest. I don't think the gun was jumped in this case, even with it being in GD.
    So how was my discussion with him any deferent form any one eels in the thread?

    Even so name calling happen before I got in to it so did going off topic.

    And I was not doing anything you suggest, I simply posted the rules to a guy saying that they hard no rules of closing threads he disagred with me and we talked about toe rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Belcher View Post
    Calling someone a liar, and troll is name calling hypocrite, and a few others where used to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Belcher View Post
    Even so name calling happen before I got in to it so did going off topic.
    I recommend a few things to solve the problem.

    I especially recommend paying close attention to these, since you have a habit of taking things personally from people who aren't talking to or about you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    I did not call anyone a child.
    It's besides the point. You don't go around doing it as a justification to moderate a so-called flamewar. Or do you think saying someone is being childish doesn't constitute by itself an offense if that someone is by any chance locked in a debate?

    Maybe you are the type of person that doesn't have heated debates. Everything to you should be about order, logic and sportsmanship, and verbal fights should be fought like true British gentleman would. And anyone steering away from your tinted glasses is being childish. Well, ain't that nice? Problem is that "anyone" is pretty much the entire world.

    An exchange of words where the worst we hear is "troll" on one side and "liar" on the other, doesn't even get close to what a flamewar actually is. But feel free to keep broadening the term to fit your rose garden. There's probably more verbal offense in this post of mine than those two. Would you agree? Now, on the basis of that, should you consider closing this thread for my behavior or is that the only thing that afflicts your sensitive self is if I adopted... how you'd probably put it, childish language?

    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    You should read the thread. I had a few choices in mind:
    • Do nothing.
    • Edit out the flames.
    • Close the thread with a recommendation to continue anew.
    Any and all of the three will satisfy some people and displease others. I chose the one that I felt was best for the community.
    I read the thread. But you didn't read my OP, obviously. Because you don't even consider a 4th option that is to place a warning that the thread can't keep continuing this way without you feeling the need to intervene.

    You really don't get it, do you? This isn't about closing threads. If a thread needs to be closed it should be closed. And, by golly, I certainly support it should be the moderator who makes that decision. But you can't close threads on a whim, for pete's sake. Except certainly if it is obvious to anyone with two eyes, and a brain between them, that it is completely out of order. Moderate your own moderation, for crying out loud. At least inform people that the current behavior must not continue. That's what I'm suggesting you folks should start considering.

    And by all that is sacred, don't give an offensive justification to closing a thread that has become offensive. You are being charged of the same behavior you pretend to be putting and end to. I don't care, and certainly few do, what you think about the behavior of the persons involved. You are not here to preach your pretense superior manners. If you want to do that, by all means do it at the same level of everyone in here and do it as a normal user. Not someone preaching from atop their close thread button. If you want, name rules 5, 8 and 11. In fact you folks should do that more often. You hardly ever quote from the Book. And considering hardly anyone reads it, you never help establish a more general understanding of these boards rules. Just don't give me that "you are being childish". What do I care about what you think when you are doing that to justify the enforcing of a rule?

    If in your judgment two adults can't have an heated exchange in which they insult each other, I'm sad to hear. It's one of our best qualities. And not a defect like society (and here you can read that with a sarcastic tone) has taught you. But it's ok. Things are what they are. But at the very least give forum users the respect they deserve and warn them what's about to happen if they don't... mend their ways. Just don't be rude and close a thread because you can.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Belcher View Post
    Calling someone a liar, and troll is name calling hypocrite, and a few others where used to.
    Those all are ways to insult which is against the rules, aside that the thread was not about ALL mod problems but rather one, and even then it was having three deferent conversations at once, it was off topic.
    Was I evolved in it? You bet, yeah, I was. I also agree I was wrong, in trying to say "get back on topic" I got sucked in, and added to the off topicness
    but it was off topic long before I got in to it.
    And bringing an argument from one thread into another is *massively bad form*... Let it go already!

    I read the whole crossposting thread, saw the outcome coming a mile away... It seems that even on forums populated by people with above average intellectual talent, stupidity can still happen.

    On point here... about the perceived heavy handedness of some moderation... I'm forced to agree that sometimes the mods here do tend to get in the way rather too often. Andrew, Quzah and I will sometimes use the tail end of a thread (after the OP says "thanks" or some derivative there of) to banter some wisecracks and make a joke... and we've had threads closed because of it. In fact I've had a number of conversations with mods here about their apparent stone cold lack of humour... and in my opinion their actions are frequently heavy handed. Way I figure it... so long as the OP is getting his or her answers, there's no problem letting a thread drift a bit off topic or become a string of jokes. The time to moderate is when people start cussing each other out or when it gets so far off topic as to be unrecognizable.

    In my observation, the itchy trigger finger moderation inhibits the formation of a cohesive community of people willing to help...
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    I don't believe by "flame war" Laser was referring to the language being used or the banter, but rather the banter was gone and it very much so was evolving into a 2 person thread which was turning quite ridiculous. I do quite enjoy banter, and arguments however should we really just keep a thread open so quzah can prove he has the resolve to keep a conversation going?

    Like many people here I do enjoy quzah's ever present wit, however by keeping the thread open we would be robbing all the other posters that quzah could get into an argument with. "The new asymptotic law of cross-posting".

    And alas, so we can all understand what was going on with the closed thread:
    Code:
    #include <stdio.h>
    #include <stdlib.h>
    
    #define EndOfConversation 0
    
    int quzah(void);
    int new_kid(void);
    
    int main(void){
    
    	quzah();	
    
    	return(0);
    }
    int quzah(void){
    
    	new_kid();
    
    	return EndOfConversation;
    }
    int new_kid(void){
    
    	quzah();
    
    	return EndOfConversation;
    }
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    Quote Originally Posted by anduril462 View Post
    Now, please, for the love of all things good and holy, think about what you're doing! Don't just run around willy-nilly, coding like a drunk two-year-old....
    Quote Originally Posted by quzah View Post
    ..... Just don't be surprised when I say you aren't using standard C anymore, and as such,are off in your own little universe that I will completely disregard.
    Warning: Some or all of my posted code may be non-standard and as such should not be used and in no case looked at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    Or do you think saying someone is being childish doesn't constitute by itself an offense if that someone is by any chance locked in a debate?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    And by all that is sacred, don't give an offensive justification to closing a thread that has become offensive. You are being charged of the same behavior you pretend to be putting and end to.
    Just being "locked in a debate" does not mean that all kinds of behaviour are acceptable. I would rather not call the behaviour "childish" as there would be a connotation of "playful", which is not the sense I received from the latter part of that thread, but if you want to contrast with "adult", then that is what it is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    Maybe you are the type of person that doesn't have heated debates.
    I certainly do... surely you have seen them here?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    There's probably more verbal offense in this post of mine than those two. Would you agree?
    I disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    I read the thread. But you didn't read my OP, obviously. Because you don't even consider a 4th option that is place a warning that the thread can't keep continuing this way without you feeling the need to intervene.
    Obviously, since this thread did not exist at the time. You might have mentioned it in the other thread, but I skimmed over many of the off topic posts there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    At least inform people that the current behavior must not continue. That's what I'm suggesting you folks should start considering.
    Yes, that makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    You are not here to preach your pretense superior manners.
    You might want to introspect about what you are preaching in this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by quzah View Post
    It's not my fault I have more stack space than the rest of you.
    Quzah.
    And, apparently... a lot more undefined behaviour.

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