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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakti View Post
    >>Elysia, what do you have running on your PC that's making "Firefox" an orange drop-down list? What is its function?

    Thats the later firefox versions (4 and above i think? At least for windows). It pretty much contains what you would normally would find in a menubar under the different menus.
    Really? Strange that I haven't noticed it. I'm pretty sure I'm up-to-date on Firefox.

    Oh well, I'll check when I get home.
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    Strange that I haven't noticed it.
    View->Toolbars->Menu Bar

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    Quote Originally Posted by megafiddle View Post
    Sounds like a reincarnation of "Eliza". I had a version for that for a TRS80 model one.
    Back in the 80's.
    Apparently, Cleverbot did evolve from ELIZA which dates back to the 70's.

    Someone struck up a conversation between them:

    Cleverbot vs ELIZA

    You can see the similarity, even though ELIZA was much more limited.

    There was a suggestion back then that ELIZA could be used as a therapist,
    just to get the user to talk about things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    Elysia, what do you have running on your PC that's making "Firefox" an orange drop-down list? What is its function?
    It's simply running Firefox 6. Unless you have set some special settings, it should show up.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    It's simply running Firefox 6. Unless you have set some special settings, it should show up.
    You have to disable the menu bar for it to show up, except on windows where it is by default.
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    This is a default setting. You can explicitly show menu bars, but by default, they're disabled.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    This is a default setting. You can explicitly show menu bars, but by default, they're disabled.
    I don't understand why they chose to make the opposite default in the Linux packages though.
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    Something to do with Gnome (and possibly KDE) UI guidelines?
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Geeks like consistent interfaces.

    edit - and then there's this: http://xkcd.com/948/
    Last edited by whiteflags; 09-07-2011 at 10:36 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Something to do with Gnome (and possibly KDE) UI guidelines?
    Could be...
    Standard Menus
    Geeks like consistent interfaces.
    ...like a terminal !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Something to do with Gnome (and possibly KDE) UI guidelines?
    And of course there are more possibilities than that. Linux is much more heterogenous than OSX and MS.* It looks to me like Elyisa's sceenshot has a pull down in the window frame, which is the domain of the WM, and I promise they do not have a common protocol for stuff like that.

    The XDG and EWMH standards include some basic things, but nobody has to implement all of it. I guess it would be nice, but it would be a lot of work for a lot of people.

    * pro linux rant: I'd rather have all those choices, even if it means a little bit of babylon, than be stuck with something that wants to be all things to all people.
    Last edited by MK27; 09-07-2011 at 10:51 AM.
    C programming resources:
    GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
    The C Book -- nice online learner guide
    Current ISO draft standard
    CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
    3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
    cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge

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    I'd rather have all those choices, even if it means a little bit of babylon, than be stuck with something that wants to be all things to all people.
    Unfortunately, some of our interfaces are trying to move in that direction...
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    Quote Originally Posted by manasij7479 View Post
    Unfortunately, some of our interfaces are trying to move in that direction...
    Don't use them. You don't have to. DE's hurt modularity, which is a bad thing. Why would I want my file browser and my taskbar in a matching set? Why would I want a taskbar at all?
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    GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
    The C Book -- nice online learner guide
    Current ISO draft standard
    CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
    3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
    cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    Why would I want my file browser and my taskbar in a matching set? Why would I want a taskbar at all?
    Because at the end of a normal working day, a drink, any drink, tastes great.

    Seriously though. X is the best thing ever to come to Linux. It can be a royal pain sometimes. But the UI freedom it gave to Linux is one of the reasons I'm still hooked to that operating system. And this isn't off-topic. Cleverbot has some interesting things to say about Linux

    User: Hello cleverbot.

    Cleverbot: Hello human.

    User: What do you think of Linux?

    Cleverbot: I've never even heard of it.
    Last edited by Mario F.; 09-07-2011 at 12:20 PM.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Hmmm... I'm running Windows 7 and I can say that I had to explicitly disable the menu bar. I should note that I've been auto-updating Firefox since probably 3.0, so what was there probably remained.
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