Microsoft Kinect (formerly Natal)

This is a discussion on Microsoft Kinect (formerly Natal) within the General Discussions forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally Posted by Mario F. Ok, about the lag/latency I was pointed towards this article on Eurogamer. It's quite a ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Ok, about the lag/latency I was pointed towards this article on Eurogamer. It's quite a good read in fact. It also explains a lot of what's happening behind the technology.
    The e3 presentation does make it look better than the video
    in the OP.

    Still, lay off the Wii dude. That is a threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethic View Post
    The e3 presentation does make it look better than the video
    in the OP.

    Still, lay off the Wii dude. That is a threat.
    I keep a Wii next to my computer at all times holding down some important papers and what have you.
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    So far, Nintendo's 3DS announcement is the most
    technologically impressive. 3D camera, ability to watch
    3D movies, improved graphics over DS. All without
    having to wear glasses.
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    While the 3DS is clearly a gimmick that will not take off very far, it's still cool enough of a gimmick that I just might buy one should it be priced as reasonably as all Nintendo products have in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    While the 3DS is clearly a gimmick that will not take off very far...
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight...
    Whatever dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    While the 3DS is clearly a gimmick that will not take off very far, it's still cool enough of a gimmick that I just might buy one should it be priced as reasonably as all Nintendo products have in the past.
    Okay. Just like dual screens was a gimmick. And here we are,
    130 million units sold in 6 years and the #2 best selling gaming
    machine of all time (right behind PS2 which had a 4 year head
    start).

    Nintendo knows the market and has more success in it than
    any other company.
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    Nintendo knows the market and has more success in it than
    any other company.
    Sure. Whatever you say.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say ALL motion sensing technology for both computers and consoles amount to expensive gimmicks that get old fast.

    The only one I really like on the PC is the TrackIR b/c it is very useful for flight simulators and combat flight sims. Nothing beats not having to use the hat switch to look around when a bogey is on your six spraying gunfire at you or your opponent fired an IR or radar homing missile and it has your name on it. Nothing beats that. It's also nice in FSX when you can look around by moving your head - very good practice for the real deal since during my lessons I pretty much had to keep my head on a swivel at all times.

    But the difference between TrackIR and the other gimmicks is that TrackIR serves a purpose and solves a problem every flight simmer has experienced for decades. The Wii took away my controller and replaced it with a half-baked motion sensing gimmick which adds nothing to the experience (except annoyance when the thing doesn't read right) and yet no one ever asked Nintendo to take away our controllers. Now people are trying to take away the mouse and keyboard yet no one in the PC world is complaining about the mouse or the keyboard. We like our mice and our keyboards. I work with touch screens everyday on our embedded systems and thankfully we have some debug only keyboard shortcuts so we don't have to use the stupid screen all the time.
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    That Track IR nonsense has always looked lame to me. You
    move your head, but have to keep your eyes straight at the
    screen still. That's not natural. Seems like it would be better
    just to get 5 monitors and 5 video cards and create a semi-
    circle around you.
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    TrackIR does feel more natural with 2 or 3 monitors since you do have to move your head. However you can adjust the sensitivity so you don't have to move your head as much to look left/right up/down in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernt View Post
    Zelda never disappoints.

    I'm getting really excited for the new Deus Ex too - I don't know if it's supposed to be out this year or next but it looks very interesting.
    On that note so does Portal 2 (I think ready by the end of summer?) since it's going to be an actual full-blown game and not a two hour romp through Aperture Labs (not that there was anything wrong with that, but we all wished there was more). But now I'm just listing new games and that makes me feel like I'm trying to sound like the cool kid on the block. I think I'll go play a bit on my PS1 if you don't mind.
    And Zelda is every bit as glorious as one would have hoped!

    YouTube - The Legend of Zelda: The Skyward Sword Trailer - E3 2010
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say ALL motion sensing technology for both computers and consoles amount to expensive gimmicks that get old fast.
    I'll say that and I won't feel nearly as bad doing so... motion sensing is a gimmick. It is a poor way to interface in gaming and a terrible way to interface in anything else...

    Motion-sensing technology has existed in some form or another in arcades and in the home for almost as long as I can remember... it hasn't taken off... it's not taking off now, it's just trendy for the time being... the people who think motion sensing is the future of video games are the same people who think 3D is the future of movies because Avatar was such a big hit and everyone is making 3D movies now. Try talking about the future of movies with the creators of Jaws 3D. They're gimmicks... people get excited for a while and then they get bored and it fades away for another 10-20 years.


    ... and as far as the DS sales and the Wii sales... you might as well cut them in half when comparing them to competitors because that's essentially what you have to do to compare in terms of revenue; the figure that actually means something. You don't see too many people in furniture going around saying particle board is way better than hardwood because Ikea is selling about five times as many units as any fine furniture store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethic View Post
    And Zelda is every bit as glorious as one would have hoped!

    YouTube - The Legend of Zelda: The Skyward Sword Trailer - E3 2010
    Yeah. That explains a lot why you like the Wii.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


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    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Yeah. That explains a lot why you like the Wii.
    Looks childish. But then again, that's all you really get on the Wii.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    ... and as far as the DS sales and the Wii sales... you might as well cut them in half when comparing them to competitors because that's essentially what you have to do to compare in terms of revenue; the figure that actually means something. You don't see too many people in furniture going around saying particle board is way better than hardwood because Ikea is selling about five times as many units as any fine furniture store.
    I have no idea what you're trying to say with this paragraph.
    Nintendo

    Quote Originally Posted by either Mario F
    Yeah. That explains a lot why you like the Wii.
    Yup. Creativity and gameplay over BIG EXPLOSIONS PEW BANG!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacs7
    Looks childish. But then again, that's all you really get on the Wii.
    Yeah. Because the experiences you get on other machines are
    just so adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    Sure. Whatever you say.

    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say ALL motion sensing technology for both computers and consoles amount to expensive gimmicks that get old fast.
    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    I'll say that and I won't feel nearly as bad doing so... motion sensing is a gimmick. It is a poor way to interface in gaming and a terrible way to interface in anything else...
    Absolute nonsense.
    Motion sensing is not a fad, nor a gimmick. A with all technology, it takes a while for developers to put it to good use.
    Metroid Prime 3 put it to a pretty good use. It was fun. Now, hopefully, Zelda Skyward Sword will do the same.
    Oh yes, there have been poor games (Force Unleashed comes to mind) where the motion sensing just didn't work right. That is not the fault of the concept. It may be the games or the hardware, but not the concept.
    It's the future. Accept it.

    Oh, and about the whole "we didn't ask for it" and "if it isn't boken, don't fix it" analogy... it's ridiculous. If we stayed true to that, we'd be stuck in the stone age. The thing is, we need evolution and revolution. You may not have asked for it because it has always worked for you, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be innovation. It simply means that you should try it out. Eventually we adapt to the new way of doing things.
    Hey, I mean in the old times, we had a controller with two buttons (plus start and select) and a d-pad. What was wrong with that!?! Why did we need these crappy new controllers with lots of buttons when the old one worked?

    Quote Originally Posted by zacs7 View Post
    Looks childish. But then again, that's all you really get on the Wii.
    I will admit that the graphics style in the new game is a little disappointing, but that doesn't mean it's a bad game. Too long there have always been gamers who simply cannot get off their high horse. The graphics are bad. Bad game. It uses motion sensing. Bad game. It's simply a Wii game. Bad game. It doesn't have blood. Bad game. It doesn't have any swearing. Bad game.
    So what? I enjoy the games Nintendo do as much as any bloody game with gore and bad language and no motion sensing.
    Try it before dismissing it. And stray from the whole "graphics is everything" path.
    Sigh.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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