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    Hey, legal genius I'm pretty sure it's an example.
    Would you care to clarify what you meant?

    Yes, I'm pretty sure it's an example, too. I came up with that example.

    So do you think I can eat your icecream in the winter or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    There is the opt in part. If you use Google Maps, Google may receive information about your location.

    Nothing ambiguous about it.
    "such as"

    Then read the paragraph above, it privacy policy only apply to Googles own services not a 3rd party.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    Apple is saying, as long as you want to use the iPhone, Apple can get your location without further approval from you, AND they can share it with anyone they choose. And that's what most people have problems with.
    That is not what they are saying that is what you are reading into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    Would you care to clarify what you meant?

    Yes, I'm pretty sure it's an example, too. I came up with that example.

    So do you think I can eat your icecream in the winter or not?
    No, I think you should be careful when you are trying to make "equivalent" parallels that is still legally binding. As we discussed not to many posts back.

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    it privacy policy only apply to Googles own services not a 3rd party.
    Exactly.

    That is not what they are saying that is what you are reading into it.
    That's why we are trying to sort it out.

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    No, I think you should be careful when you are trying to make "equivalent" parallels that is still legally binding. As we discussed not to many posts back.
    There is nothing legal about this. Both the original line and my example are plain good old English without any legal mumbo jumbo.

    It's a simple exercise in English, and has nothing to do with legality.

    What do you think would be a better parallel, then?

    Or can you suggest another way to understand the original without trying to come up with a simple parallel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    Exactly.
    So if you are using apps from the android marketplace you don't know what applies.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    That's why we are trying to sort it out.
    Well I have been saying to you that we look at it differently. That's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    There is nothing legal about this. Both the original line and my example are plain good old English without any legal mumbo jumbo.

    It's a simple exercise in English, and has nothing to do with legality.

    What do you think would be a better parallel, then?

    Or can you suggest another way to understand the original without trying to come up with a simple parallel?
    Reading it in the context of the whole and based on what I know about the OS, it works just like Android. You have to opt-in, historic activity is recorded and you can turn the feature on or off.

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    So if you are using apps from the android marketplace you don't know what applies.
    You know it doesn't apply. Meaning Google CANNOT get your location info. Whatever deal you make with the application developer is your own business. In this sense, Google is like just another app developer. If you don't like their privacy policy, just don't use their apps. You can still use their phone with other apps all you want.

    Well I have been saying to you that we look at it differently. That's it.
    And I think you are wrong, so I'm trying to expose the inconsistency in your interpretation by comparing it to how you would interpret a simple sentence with the same construct.

    And so far you have just been dodging it by saying I don't know what I am talking about, so whatever example I come up with are wrong, even though you don't know exactly how are they wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    You know it doesn't apply. Meaning Google CANNOT get your location info. Whatever deal you make with the application developer is your own business.
    Yeah, and that is the exact purpose of the new segment in the Apple Tos, to point this out.

    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    And I think you are wrong, so I'm trying to expose the inconsistency in your interpretation by comparing it to how you would interpret a simple sentence with the same construct.

    And so far you have just been dodging it by saying I don't know what I am talking about, so whatever example I come up with are wrong, even though you don't know exactly how are they wrong.
    I know you think I'm wrong lol. I think you need to be careful to change a text and saying it's equivalent according to the law with out formal training. That's why I said earlier that we'll have to see how this pans out. And that it's pointless to discuss, but you wanted to continue, but with out the necessary tools to make it meaningful IMO.

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    Yeah, and that is the exact purpose of the new segment in the Apple Tos, to point this out.
    For now, we have agreed to disagree on that, so let's put that aside.

    I know you think I'm wrong lol. I think you need to be careful to change a text and saying it's equivalent according to the law with out formal training. That's why I said earlier that we'll have to see how this pans out. And that it's pointless to discuss, but you wanted to continue, but with out the necessary tools to make it meaningful IMO.
    That's like saying I cannot tell you "2x = 4y" is the same as "x = 2y" because I am not a mathematician.

    That means, since I'm an electrical engineer, I can ever only debate about electrons in wires. Doesn't that make my life a little boring?

    So how did you come to your interpretation? Intuition? Or what?

    I came to mine by pattern recognition.

    I recognized that the pattern
    "I can A. For example, I can A if B." where A is an action and B is a condition,

    is exactly the same as "I can A".

    I applied the pattern to that sentence, and got my conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Subsonics View Post
    That is not the quote from the agreement! This is it:
    If you think that this is proof of the stupidity of the average consumer, id say the stupidity is not recognizing that using geo-location software shares your location, that's the point, duh!
    Thanks for that, I suppose I should have dug a little deeper -- altho I actually don't care that much, since I'm not an iphone user.

    On the other hand, that would be a very negative precedent for everyone I think. Thankfully I guess I jumped the gun somewhat!
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    The C Book -- nice online learner guide
    Current ISO draft standard
    CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
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