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    Youngest Microsoft systems engineer in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by happyclown View Post
    Absolutely amazing kid.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    It's good to know that people are getting on this world younger, because as they grew, they will already have a lot of knowledge.

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    I always like hearing about the possibility that there could be people smarter than me in the world.

    Now we just have to show young Marco some other OS. I see teenage rebellion on the horizon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    I always like hearing about the possibility that there could be people smarter than me in the world.
    Wow, must you be living a fairly happy life then! ;-)

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    I think the technical term is Intelligent, not smart. They are more intelligent.

    It's a harder pill to swallow, but you have to take it. It's for you own good, says mum.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    I think the technical term is Intelligent, not smart. They are more intelligent.

    It's a harder pill to swallow, but you have to take it. It's for you own good, says mum.
    For a couple of years I consciously choose not to use the term or concept "intelligence"* in speech or thought, wrt to normal human adults. That is, I refused to accept the idea that some range of inate intelligence among people was an explanation for anything, such as differing beliefs, behaviour, abilities, etc. It's not that hard to do, but you do have to pay attention to when you are applying it in your mental judgements and evaluations.

    I don't totally believe that but I think it is a fairly enlightening perspective and generally leads to "truer" understandings, if I were a school teacher I might actually enforce it in my classes.

    * or the inverse, "stupid", so if I or someone did something stupid I could not blame it on that person's or my stupidity.
    Last edited by MK27; 05-21-2010 at 08:24 AM.
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    Current ISO draft standard
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    Another issue as well that every news agency fails to mention is intelligence != maturity. They are trying to convey one thing to their audience and they do it well while ignoring other issues that clearly are prevalent and do not make the 'kid' an adult by any means.
    Last edited by VirtualAce; 05-21-2010 at 08:34 AM.

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    Haven't tried doing without the concept of "maturity", I think that would actually be much harder.
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    CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    I don't totally believe that but I think it is a fairly enlightening perspective and generally leads to "truer" understandings, if I were a school teacher I might actually enforce it in my classes.
    I think I know what you mean. I use it when I'm trying to explain why I'm not so stupid as people say. And immediately revert to the other form when I'm explaining why I am so great.

    Ok... seriously now:

    The word is more meaningful than it seems to me you want imply. And it is really a stretch to not see in these extreme cases a clear sign of intelligence above the normal. It can be or not properly developed during growth. But I think that's an entirely different matter. Clearly this kid (and others alike) show an incredible potential as far as their ability to use their brain is concerned. Some of them reach adulthood still with this evident sign and go on to do great things.

    However, I do agree that it probably just reveals a superior ability to use our brains, and not necessarily a better brain... if I make myself understood. I also agree there's a tendency to confuse adult-like behavior with an higher sign of intelligence. This is even a part of the social agenda of any parent.

    But In any case, I do not fear using the word Intelligence. Least we gain yet another prejudice. I think we have enough of that already.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    I love how society constantly tells young ones they are specially gifted and what have you and all only for them to get into the workforce and into the real world and realize they are yet another rat in a giant rat race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    But In any case, I do not fear using the word Intelligence. Least we gain yet another prejudice. I think we have enough of that already.
    Oh I do believe in it. The purpose of my "experiment" was to help me decide how significant it is and the extent to which my evaluation of others as lacking intelligence was masking a truer perception of behaviour and motivation. The fact that it was not hard to do completely without out it is pretty interesting IMO, and helped me to understand other people better. They are not as dumb as I thought, they are just working within different paradigms.

    So my conclusion was that it was clouding my perception, thus I still try to think that way as much as possible, which is to say, I believe the "normative" prejudice makes relative intelligence a much more significant factor than it really is (because the concept of intelligence is usually applied stupidly, and to excess, forestalling a more "intelligent" or mindful contemplation).

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    I love how society constantly tells young ones they are specially gifted and what have you and all only for them to get into the workforce and into the real world and realize they are yet another rat in a giant rat race.
    Wisdom is definitely not the same thing. For that the kid does need linux.
    Last edited by MK27; 05-21-2010 at 09:28 AM.
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    GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
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    Current ISO draft standard
    CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
    3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
    cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge

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    I think my problem is not so much avoiding intelligence the word, but figuring out what smart means. When I give that compliment, I am not looking into your IQ score.

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    IQ test are a funny thing. They are about puzzles and are almost non-verbal, and this is supposed to be an accurate reflection of your innate intelligence as opposed to a skill set you possess.

    But if you are a kid that plays alone with lego a lot, or rule-oriented games (alone or socially), you will probably do better on an IQ test than some kid who lives in one room with a family of five on a commune where non-structured social/inter-personal activity would take up most of your time. Does that mean kid A is truly smarter than kid B? Obviously not. Does it mean kid A's intelligence has been developed, environmentally, better than kid B? I don't believe that either. But it does mean that kid A will do better on an IQ test.

    Which is a good example of what I meant by a misuse of the concept as an explanation. Kid A is not necessarily more intelligent because he has a higher IQ. Kid A is just better at certain kinds of puzzles.
    Last edited by MK27; 05-21-2010 at 10:25 AM.
    C programming resources:
    GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
    The C Book -- nice online learner guide
    Current ISO draft standard
    CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
    3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
    cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    Wisdom is definitely not the same thing. For that the kid does need linux.
    Wow, I can't believe it took 12 posts before someone mentioned the L word.
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