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    I am doing research to determine the best candidate for the most complete programming language for this i need some information which can only be gained through survey

    This survey will be emailed when you click submit if it does not work please deattach the xml document in the preprepared email and send it to isefkg@hotmail.com

    To take this survey please click here
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    I don't know what to say to this. There is no "best programming language" so your survey is flawed to begin with. There's a "best tool for the job." Now you just need to describe the job. Posting a language choice survey in a C++ forum. You going to offset that by posting it in a Java forum as well? You could have saved 4 pages if you just asked "learn the basics of your choice?" instead of copying it for each language. Hell, JavaScript would have solved that with DOM if this was a web survey, maybe it should be the best language?

    I think C# is a great language, if it wasn't for that whole Microsoft thing, being solely a .NET language (besides mono and random ass compilers).

    Put me down for C/C++ and Python. Oh wait..
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    Sounds like you're confused, most, and all major, programming languages are Turing Complete.

    Turing completeness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    What is significant about one language over any other isn't usually the language itself but the frameworks available for one which offers more conveniences for some given goal, also some languages might be designed for designing specific type of systems but they are still almost always Turing Complete as far as I know.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church-Turing_thesis

    There's a hell of a lot more to 'completeness' and 'capability' of a language or cpu, I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with that survey but I'm willing to bet the answer you get may not be what you think it is unless you have specific intent and clear understanding.
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    I am sorry but what i meant is the best candidate for the best programming language i am not trying to, in theoratical meaning determine the best language but to determine the most used, most efficent and most complete programming language.

    *Please note this is only a portion of the total research i am doing

    **This is a research study i am doing for school
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    Quote Originally Posted by kakayoma View Post
    I am sorry but what i meant is the best candidate for the best programming language i am not trying to, in theoratical meaning determine the best language but to determine the most used, most efficent and most complete programming language.

    *Please note this is only a portion of the total research i am doing

    **This is a research study i am doing for school
    That makes no sense at all. What is a "complete" programming language? When you say "efficient", do you mean run-time, compile-time, or development efficiency? The only metric you ask for that can actually be measured without ambiguity is "most used". Everything else is subjective, and will be ripe for all kinds of bias.

    Asking for the "best candidate for the best programming language" does nothing but show a complete lack of understanding in regards to what a programming language is. I'll save you the time, and give you the correct answer: none
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    Some people refuse to accept mutually exclusive propositions just can not produce results without being negotiated with conditions.

    Mutually exclusive events - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    What is the best programming language? None.
    What is the best programming language for low-level CPU access? ASM.
    What is the best programming language for web development? PHP, Ruby on Rails, .Net, etc...
    What is the best programming language for writing system services? C/C++/.Net, etc...
    What is the best programming language for writing application extensions? Specific to the application, you may not have a choice. Example; WoW add-on development requires LUA.

    Do you get how this is working yet? Does the exclusive-or nature of these answers and questions demonstrate to you the reality of programming languages and making a choice?

    Better questions to ask may be, what are the industry standards? I came in to the understanding that C++ was the standard programming languages decided on by breadth of use and since universities would teach it. That was quite a few years ago.

    That's changed a lot, the languages taught are more varied and the most common languages have distributions that suggest high competition. A lot of well educated and experienced programmers probably still consider C++ to be the standard programming language, I have a strong preference for it myself. But that doesn't mean I should say it is the best, I know that there are languages that improve on C++... they're just obscured by lack of popularity.

    What do you need to do? Think about what you want to focus in computer science, survey that FIELD, then make a decision based on the distribution of languages and tools which apply to that FIELD.

    In the most basic, logical, terms; the FIELD or CONTEXT negotiate the mutually exclusive proposition.

    Research technical standards, the reason they exist is to create a common 'context' of knowledge and tools so those in the same field can communicate and work together clearly. You'll probably find something like MATLAB to be the most common in maths oriented research, which has it's own language at that.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ming_languages
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_possibility
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutually_exclusive
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standards
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    He said this is a research study he's doing for school. So I guess it's ok.
    This is precisely that type of "studies". Anything goes.
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    By Efficiency the definition trying to be conveyed is the amount of alphanumeric figures and symbols required to construct a certain program

    *To prevent any further "misunderstandings" let me clarify that I know the amount may vary as with the type of program trying to be constructed in relation to the programming language used so I will to the best of my ability try to use programs that are commonly used and available such as the common Hello World Program, Simple window program and other programs of similar content and goals

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    Quote Originally Posted by kakayoma View Post
    By Efficiency the definition trying to be conveyed is the amount of alphanumeric figures and symbols required to construct a certain program
    You may be interested in this then:
    Square root of x divided by zero: The speed, size and dependability of programming languages

    They use a metric graphing code size and execution speed using 400+ "standard tasks" (generally, the larger the code size for a particular language, the faster the execution speed, but that is not a hard and fast rule, eg, C appears to have a smaller code size and a faster execution speed than C++).

    This is a little more scientific than a "survey". Clean
    Home
    cleans up using this metric.
    C programming resources:
    GNU C Function and Macro Index -- glibc reference manual
    The C Book -- nice online learner guide
    Current ISO draft standard
    CCAN -- new CPAN like open source library repository
    3 (different) GNU debugger tutorials: #1 -- #2 -- #3
    cpwiki -- our wiki on sourceforge

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