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Old 10-31-2009, 12:39 PM   #46
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Ok. I now understand where you are coming from. I will have to agree with everything you say in this post.

In any case, I will protest my innocence as I never judged those involved in the war with the exception of anyone in a position to make decisions. With that, it is true I'm a bit bitter about USA non-involvement policy until 1941. But make no mistake I know there was an historical context to that and the policy wasn't shared by many of the Americans, including the President of the time. As much as, it needs to be said too, Yalta didn't give the western allies many options other than to accept Soviet demands. It's not that the western allies betrayed their eastern friends.

As for Teaching... ok. I went on a tangent there. From the start of the WWII debate, I was put in a defensive position by abachler's preposterous claims. In an attempt to make my point across I ended up generalizing too much. No, I don't believe every American is a mindless idiot incapable of filtering what they are taught at school or told on the media. Quite on the contrary. And I apologize for that.
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Old 10-31-2009, 08:59 PM   #47
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We have a word in the US for people that voice an opinion but don't foot the bill. It's called the peanut gallery. That is all Europe amounts to until it decides to commit significant resources to the region. The real issue here is that France is ........ed because they were allied with Iraq and were getting a significantly lower price for oil than everyone else in the world, including their European 'partners', which ended with our invasion of Iraq. Europe needs to wake up and realize that France is not the bastion of freedom it pretends to be. They actively harbor known terrorists. Unfortunately their position on the security council makes it inconvenient to implement regime change there, yet. Do not let them be the mouthpiece of Europe either officially or de facto, they do not have your best interests in mind.
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Old 10-31-2009, 11:34 PM   #48
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The point is if you keep tabs on the madmen and don't attempt to just appease them or negotiate through failed political policies (as we still attempt to do through the hideous United Nations) and allow them to get away with murder....you won't have to beg for help for 2 years b/c you will be busy kicking his arse all the way back to his own country.
Pity the US did not follow this advice and funded, negotiated and trained people like Sadam and Bin Laden.

The Riegle Report details the WMD the US sent to Sadam in only a few years.
The US took no action when Sadam used US suppiled WMDs on the Kurds in Halabja.
The US has now contaminated large portions of Iraq with the use of DU core ammo.

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Europe needs to wake up and realize that France is not the bastion of freedom it pretends to be. They actively harbor known terrorists. Unfortunately their position on the security council makes it inconvenient to implement regime change there, yet. Do not let them be the mouthpiece of Europe either officially or de facto, they do not have your best interests in mind.
Neither is the US.

I suggest you look at the graduate list for the "School of the Americas" in Ft Benning, a US govt. funded 'freedom fighter' (terrorist) training center.

I suggest you look at the Riegle Report on 'Gulf War Syndrome', as it details the WMD the US supplied to Sadam.

I suggest you write you senator asking that Orlando Bosche is extradited from Florida to stand trial for his terrorist activities (never happen as he was CIA funded and trained...).
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