Too funny
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Looks yummy.
I wouldn't touch one, personally. Besides being high in cholesterol, it might contain bugs. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Yarin
Drag the burger to one side of the restaurant; its cholesterol level will be halved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sebastiani
OH... MY... GOD! :eek:
As if one of those Burger King patties wasn't bad enough, why would anyone want 7 of them???
Besides, do they think people can unhinge their jaws like sharks?
The possibilities are endless when you live in a country without anti-fat fascists.
I'm assuming then that you've never been to Texas? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by cpjust
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>> The possibilities are endless when you live in a country without anti-fat fascists.
My point exactly. Actually, Austin is a bit of a paradox in that respect. There, the steak-houses have bike-racks so that the diners can resume their normal health-conscious activities after the fact. :p
Even we Texans avoid a 7-patty monstrosity like the plague. That thing is the epitomy of heart attack.Quote:
I'm assuming then that you've never been to Texas?
Haha yeah Austin is funny. Probably the most "green" focused city I have ever lived in...and I could honestly care less about "green". Do you live in Austin, too, Sebastiani?Quote:
Actually, Austin is a bit of a paradox in that respect. There, the steak-houses have bike-racks so that the diners can resume their normal health-conscious activities after the fact.
I was born and raised in Houston, but have also lived in both Dallas and Austin (most recently). I moved to North Carolina almost a year ago (weird place, btw), but I'll be moving back to Austin around February or so (yay), when my contract is up. I'm looking forward to it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidP
Austin is a pretty cool city, though. Besides being an overall hip place, there's always fun stuff to do and plenty of natural beauty (and more importantly, great food!). It's definitely a quirky place, though. My first day in town I got stuck on a one-lane road behind this guy riding what appeared to be an oversized tricycle, with a sign on the back reading "Stop The War!!!" or such. I just kept honking my horn, all the while thinking "WTF?! This guy's got a lot of nerve riding on the roadway!", and in response he would just calmly reach up and squeeze a little bulb-type "clown" horn. The exchange was actually quite comical, really. Anyway, later, of course, I learned that bikes (and trikes, I guess) are allowed in the rightmost lane of most roads! Funny thing is, after that I wound up behind that guy numerous times. Except, by then I had grown so accustomed to bikes on the road that it was just like "Oh hey, there's that crazy war-protesting tricyclist!". The oddity kind of grows on you, after a while. :p
If you thought it ended there, they're even catering to really desperate anime freaks.
The OS war is won! Windows 7 gets officially endorsed OS-tan | Japanator.com: j-culture + entertainment, imported dailyQuote:
MS' much-hyped successor to Vista, Windows 7, has received an officially endorsed mascot in Japan, one that is far superior to Justin Long's condescending face, or that paper clip thing.
Thin may be in, but Fat is where it's at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario F.
H1N1 will prove me right. All you scrawny bastards will be dead after a week of puking your guts out, me, I'll just lose 10 pounds.
Heheh. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by abachler
But seriously, if anything, fat reserves probably create more opportunies for infection/illness than otherwise. Ultimately though, overall health is a much more important consideration than weight. I'd choose fat and vigorous over skinny and weak any day.
You are wrong, fat reserves have been shown to be directly related to recovery speed. Overweight people get sick less often, and less severely, and recover faster. An Overweight worker misses fewer work days due to communicable diseases (e.g. common cold, flu) than a 'Standard' worker. These workers also take less time to recover and return to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sebastiani
Either way, there's a reason why you don't see fat people in the Olympics.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
Implying you see normal athletes in the olympics anyway....Quote:
Originally Posted by zacs7
Citation, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
I've been trying to rationalize why my intuition tells me that fat reserves would be more susceptible to harbor pathogens, but so far all I could come up with was the fact that there is less blood flow to fatty areas, meaning less immunological helpers circulating throughout. So I'm not sure how likely it is that there may be a correlation there.
Anyway, I'd argue that the impact of obesity to health is still of much significance. Not for all people, naturally, but for many it can be a major deficiency when fighting illness. If important muscular organs become infused with too much fatty tissue then they must work harder, and thus less efficiently. That, and the fact that there is more tissue overall for the various fluids to circulate through means the metabolic rate may be much lower than normal. Also, substances that would be more readily expelled otherwise may linger in the fatty tissues (which really relates to my first point).
Also, I think the attribition of thinness, per se, to higher rates of illness is fairly unlikely. Obviously, if the person is malnourished, it will certainly be more difficult to fend of pathogens. But the same goes for obese persons who are malnourished (eg. too much junk food). I'm fairly thin and haven't gotten sick in years, and when I do I recover quickly. This wasn't always the case. When I was younger, my primary caretaker wasn't exactly the most concious about the importance of wholesome foods, ample water consumption, clean air, exercise, etc, and as a result, I think, I was much more vulnerable to disease/infection/fatigue. Fortunately, someone did finally step in and remedy the situation, and my vitality/health did increase dramatically. Point being, those factors are *much* more important than weight, by several orders of magnitude. Beyond that, the most essential tool for healing is the mind itself, which operates on many levels to produce conducive conditions for self-repair. That's overlooked way too often, I think.
So in short, a healthy lifestyle plus positive thinking generally ensures the best protection against illness, all things considered.
Ha ha, if we didn't already know you were overweight, this would've cinched it. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by abachler
I would have to disagree... I don't know whether or not excess fat makes the body more seductible or not (though if I had to make an educated guess, I would guess that it does). But I do know that a person of normal weight is much more likely to have a healthy lifestyle than an obese person.
You don't see all the events, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by zacs7
True, some of those shot-put athletes are pretty big. And let's face it; at the rate the Olympic Committee is adding new events every year, it's only a matter of time before hot-dog eating is an official sport of the Olympic games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario F.
Eh? As in...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mario F.
How about Sumo wrestlers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sebastiani
Shooting and Archery;Quote:
Originally Posted by Sebastiani
Weight-lifting;
Hammer, Discus and Javelin throw;
Judo;(*)
Table Tennis,
All sports and events where you can see overweight or obese people.
(*)2008 introduced the +100 Kgs event. Very entertaining.
There is a vast difference between being overweight and being obese. Then you have to define healthy lifestyle. Because obviously the media skews it to mean being skinny. I'm classified as being overweight, but I can still lift 100+ lbs of groceries and carry them into the house in one trip without breathing heavy. My most recent cardiology checkup foundQuote:
Originally Posted by Yarin
My blood pressure is normal. I have no permanent restrictions to my range of motion and in fact am quite a bit more limber than the average 'healthy lifestyle' person. (I pinched a muscle in my neck carrying firewood).Quote:
No buildup of any clinical significance.
So show proof that your so called healthy lifestyle increases resistance and recovery from H1N1.
In fact the only way to finish this argument is to conduct a study. So lets get 1000 fat bastards like me and 1000 scrawny toothpicks like you and inject ourselves with H1N1 and see how many of each group drop dead, how long each group is sick, and how soon they are physically able to perform various job related tasks. Since you champion the skinny people, you get to pick that group, and I'll pick the fat group, and you and I will both be part of our respective groups (i.e. we get injected too). Everyone gets the exact same dose regardless of weight or if you prefer by lung capacity.
Can I do... I dunno, something? I can do the recording. But only if I get injected too. Need my yearly dose of flu. Work is being a drag.
I vaguely recall something about H1N1 being an anomaly among its kind in that healthy people, or at least those not normally regarded as high risk, were more susceptible than usual, possibly even more so than those in the usual high risk groups. If this is true (and even if it is not), then the study would not prove that being a "fat bastard" is not worse than being a "scrawny toothpick" in general where resistance to and recovery from such illnesses is concerned.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
Really? Wow, I can't remember ever seeing that one.Quote:
How about Sumo wrestlers?
Okay, weight-lifting, discus, and javalin I have seen. Sorry, it's been a while since I really paid much attention to the Olympics.Quote:
Shooting and Archery;
Weight-lifting;
Hammer, Discus and Javelin throw;
Judo;(*)
Table Tennis,
All sports and events where you can see overweight or obese people.
(*)2008 introduced the +100 Kgs event. Very entertaining.
If you genuinely feel healthy, then you probably are. But there are many who are not. I've know quite a few of them, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
I say we up the ante. HIV?Quote:
So show proof that your so called healthy lifestyle increases resistance and recovery from H1N1. In fact the only way to finish this argument is to conduct a study. So lets get 1000 fat bastards like me and 1000 scrawny toothpicks like you and inject ourselves with H1N1 and see how many of each group drop dead, how long each group is sick, and how soon they are physically able to perform various job related tasks. Since you champion the skinny people, you get to pick that group, and I'll pick the fat group, and you and I will both be part of our respective groups (i.e. we get injected too). Everyone gets the exact same dose regardless of weight or if you prefer by lung capacity.
I wasn't trying to implying that you're obese. I also deliberately avoided the word 'skinny', because I do think that (for most people) 'skinny' is not an optimum weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
In the circle of friends that I have, the more overweight they are, they more they snack on unhealthy food, the easier it is to wear them out, the more sensitive to cold/hot they are, their can't lift things as well, they look a little worse, etc.. But I have yet to see a positive thing. (except maybe for having a better chance of surviving through a famine)
I don't notice them being more or less sick, but overall health and natural immune system strength aren't the same, even if they are linked.
You say that you feel healthy. That's great. But you'd probably feel overall better off (health included, but not exclusively) if you were to loose some weight.
That might be true, but then all of a sudden your never-sick-from-work guy dies from a heart attack at the age of 43.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
Ok, lets set a few myths straight: fat people are generally lazy lumps of lard unless they live in the arctic. I'm skinny, and I used to get sick a lot. Probably mostly from living in hostels getting drunk all the time. More recently I started running. I do about 50K per week, and I never get sick anymore. It makes me sweat like a pig, and it has caused me to lose even more weight to the point that I'm nothing but bone and muscle, but I never get sick anymore. Physical fitness and healthy eating are the two main determining factors in immune system performance. Not saying fat people can't be fit - its just usually they are not.
On a side note, you being fat and healthy doesn't mean being fat has no effect on health.
Disease/illness contraction is a risk thing.
If you drunk drive, CHANCES are nothing bad will happen. Does that mean drunk driving isn't dangerous?
I dunno. I still think being a soldier is worse than being fat on what comes to life expectancy. But then, being fat is not so cool, is it? And being cool that's really what this is all about.
Monkey see, monkey do. Monkey see being fat is bad for your health on the TV, monkey wants to be thin.
Except with respect to infectious diseases like flu, higher weight gives you increased resistance and reduces the severity of the symptoms as well as the duration. Particularly in my family, weight has no apparent negative effect on health, as we are all heavier than average and yet our life expectancy is higher than the general population.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberfish
I don't think that's only because your weight is above average. You could just have a healthier lifestyle or a better immune system than others.Quote:
Originally Posted by abachler
Which really dissociates weight with health, because most people could simply have unhealthy lifestyles that make them fat and thus prone to all the diseases associated with fat, but not actually caused by it. Lack of exercise is probably a bigger cause of heart disease than the excess weight that results. Or maybe the general population just has bad genes and a weak immune system.Quote:
Originally Posted by maxorator
Weight is only a factor of health, not the only factor.
I think the general consensus is that, ALL ELSE EQUAL, normal weight is healthier than overweight.
It's entirely possible that you will be even healthier if you are not overweight.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are very healthy smoking people, too. But all else equal, non-smoking is healthier.
All things equal, the air of the fields is healthier than the air of the cities. There's less traffic too, and less crime. Odds are (and it apparently seems so) country folk can live to very long ages on average. So, to anyone concened with their life expectancy I suggest you move to the country and stop being a demagogue.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberfish
I say, considering fat an health issue can only be debated superficially. Yes, it can be generally said fat people may have health issues in the long run. What cannot be said is how bad exactly is to be fat because I know quite a lot of large people living well beyond their 80s.
Similarly, I find it slightly annoying (even though I'm not fat) the call for arms against obesity when we kill ourselves a little more everyday on our cities due to smog, on our jobs due to stress and on our lives due to bad habits including (partying, alchool, etc). It's all a bunch of BS.
Let fat people be fat. They aren't doing anything against their health that many of us don't do tenfold. And they apparently live to long age too. Or is anyone going to try to convince me the majority of people over 80 are not fat?
I agree. Being fat is bad, qualitatively. No one really knows how bad. It's nearly impossible to find out with controlled experiments. There are too many variables, especially when being fat is usually a result of doing other unhealthy things (no exercise).
And then there is the definition of health, too. How do you define healthy? Is being alive the same as being healthy?
My grandmother (~70), for example, has been obese all her life without major problems. Except now, she can't walk. Her knees failed prematurely due to the weight. And since she can't walk around, she gets even more obese... The cause and effect here is quite apparent. Other things (heart problems for example), may not be as apparent, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's related.