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    - Apple didn't invent icons. Xerox did.

    - Apple didn't invent the status bar. It's a sort of bastardized son of NeXTSTEP dockbar that all operating systems rapidly took ever since. Apple first status bar only appeared with System 7 in 1991. And it was just a small extension to the original Menu bar that also displayed the hour and time of day on the far right.

    - Apple didn't invent the mouse. Xerox did.

    - Apple didn't invent the concept of windows. Xerox did.

    So... really, what were you saying?
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    - Apple didn't invent the mouse. Xerox did.
    Well, if you consider Engelbart's patent: Xerox didn't invent the mouse. The Stanford Research Institute did.
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    Oh, right. My bad.
    Instead it was first used on a Xerox machine.

    Meanwhile,

    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    It just seems strange that Windows even resorted to copying Linux (KDE). That's... copying the copy cat and making a lot of money doing that.
    It rhymes, I'll give you that.

    Are you sure you aren't the guy saying it looks like Apple?
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Ah I stand corrected. I am apparently not old enough to talk about computer history.

    I've seen that article before, and I think it's quite unrelated. They are talking about giving people a GUI they have never seen before. We are talking about how much they resemble each other, after seeing both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    It just seems strange that Windows even resorted to copying Linux (KDE). That's... copying the copy cat and making a lot of money doing that.
    A ridiculous claim. They did not copy from Linux.
    They poured a lot of research into making people more productive because it is in their best interests. Thus a lot of research and experimentation went into it, but no copying.
    You do not think that Linux can take on Windows-ish appearance? That is what KDE4 did. They took the usual Microsoft-way of design and put it to work and I must say that produced excellent results. It would be a good thing if every company put such design to work IMHO.
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    You do not think that Linux can take on Windows-ish appearance? That is what KDE4 did. They took the usual Microsoft-way of design and put it to work and I must say that produced excellent results. It would be a good thing if every company put such design to work IMHO.
    Well, it seems like they took the "Microsoft-way of design" to design KDE 3 before Windows 7, or even Vista, just after XP came out.

    KDE 4 was released almost 2 years ago (stable release), and at least the task bar wasn't much different from KDE 3, circa 2002.

    And Windows 7's taskbar became much more similar to KDE3/4's, compared to Windows Vista/XP's. If you don't find it a little bit too similar for coincidence (especially the vertical bar on the right), I'm not sure what will. But that's an opinion, so let's just agree to disagree and move on.

    I'm still waiting for my MSDNAA access from IEEE. They say it's going to take about a week... not horribly efficient. Unless some real human has to check the application or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    I'm still waiting for my MSDNAA access from IEEE.
    You guys not going after that other program? Ermm... DreamSpark or something (too lazy to search for the name)
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    DreamSpark only have development softwares and server OSes. No 7 or Vista. There is server 2008, though.

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    And apparently they just pulled Windows 7 from IEEE's MSDNAA "temporarily" due to abuse. Guess I am back to Linux, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    DreamSpark only have development softwares and server OSes. No 7 or Vista. There is server 2008, though.
    Ah! Right. Didn't know that.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    And apparently they just pulled Windows 7 from IEEE's MSDNAA "temporarily" due to abuse. Guess I am back to Linux, then.
    Shame. Hope it will be back.
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    this is all just buisness and Microsoft are pretty good at that
    also I wouldn't want Microsoft making something new with the toolbar, that'd be horrible!
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    They just took down the "check back later" message. Guess it will never be back then.

    I can still get it through my school's MSDNAA when I take my first computer science course...

    It's a shame that I have to run Windows on my laptop, and have to deal with all these business crap. Vista runs quite sluggish on my laptop and I want to give 7 a try. Or I can switch to XP or server 2008 I guess. They are making it very difficult.

    I hate this chicken and egg problem with Linux. It doesn't have enough users so developers don't write programs for it, and because of that, users can't use Linux.

    Looking forward to the day Linux breaks this barrier and marketshare shoots up (people start using, developers start developing, and more user start using...). Afterall, Firefox was in this position a while ago, too, and they broke it.

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