Should purposely misquoting someone be prohibited?

Yarin · 10-10-2009, 10:37 AM

As seen here.
MK did meanwhile change it a little bit. But even so, should there be a rule against doing that?

**laserlight** · 10-10-2009, 10:56 AM

In my opinion, this rule is the one that is relevant:

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7. Messages whose intent is to "Flame," or purposely insult or incite another person, or any portion of a post that "flames" will be deleted.

MK27 · 10-10-2009, 10:59 AM

Absolutely. There needs to be an FCC rule. You should phone your congressperson about it: the US Capitol Switchboard numbers are 202-224-3121, 888-818-6641 and 888-355-3588.

Actually, it already is grounds for libel. However, your example is a weak one -- even without the "inner feelings" qualification, I am confident I would win my case, vis. this was obviously NOT an attempt to fool anyone. Unfortunately, laserlight has removed the evidence, but I would note that what the post consisted of was this:

an actual quote
a caption "what the OP really meant"
a fake quote obviously mimicing the original quote

In this case, the OP was in fact Mario F. No judge on the planet would claim I was trying to mislead anyone.

NB. I was not trying to incite or insult anyone either, but I acknowledge it could be interpreted as an "attempt to insight". Kind of a shame about the deletions; some of Mario's cleverest stuff was in there

**laserlight** · 10-10-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MK27

I am confident I would win my case, vis. this was obviously NOT an attempt to fool anyone.

Exactly. If you were trying to fool someone, you would not have quoted the original text. Since you quoted the original text and then presented the paraphrase in a quote block under Mario F.'s username, it is clear that you were trying to incite Mario F. to make a negative response such that his thread would be closed... which was your actual intention.

EVOEx · 10-10-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by laserlight

Quote:

Originally Posted by MK27

I am confident I would [...] NOT [...] fool anyone.

Exactly. If you were trying to fool someone, you would [...] not [...]. Since you [...] block [...] Mario F.'s username, it is clear that you were [...] negative [...]... which was your actual intention.

What's wrong with misquoting?

MK27 · 10-10-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by laserlight

it is clear that you were trying to incite Mario F. to make a negative response such that his thread would be closed... which was your actual intention.

Actually no, the whole thing was a joke. My subsequent comment that "I guess someone should close this thread!" was a reference to the fact that Mario started the thread because another thread

Game Ideas

about word games was closed at the request of the OP (in this case, MartinThatcher) because of Mario F. Which I totally respect Mario for wanting to explain himself. And I did not want his thread closed at all -- I was enjoying it.

**Bubba** · 10-10-2009, 12:56 PM

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about word games was closed at the request of the OP (in this case, MartinThatcher) because of Mario F.

No names were mentioned in the reason for the closure. The OP never mentioned anyone as the sole reason for the request just that the thread was diverging away from its original intent. It was not that big of a deal at the time.

abachler · 10-10-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MK27

Unfortunately, laserlight has removed the evidence, but I would note that what the post consisted of was this:

The evidence is still in the database, only a superadmin can truly delete a post permanently.

Mario F. · 10-10-2009, 08:44 PM

Instead of complaining about the post to a moderator, I took matters into my own hands and forever placed the troll in my ignore list. If you ask me about whether it is right or wrong to purposely misquote someone, my answer is that I don't like rules. Too many rules give me the creeps. I prefer if there is room for people to be human, which includes two things:

- their ability to be a complete idiot
- their ability to correct that

whiteflags · 10-11-2009, 01:41 AM

I'm not sure what the big deal is but I am positive a new rule is not going to fix the problem. Rules aren't something you make up when you have a personal problem with someone else. That's really freaking petty.

I want to make a rule about no new rules, though. They're perfect and timeless as they are.

quzah · 10-11-2009, 05:06 AM

If you're too stupid to tell the difference between the "fake quote" and the real one, then you need to get off of the internet. Anyone here ever been to the WoW forums? Ever see "fixt" posted? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about.

If you're that stupid, get off of the internet.

Quzah.

zacs7 · 10-11-2009, 05:16 PM

I'm more inclined to prohibit crap, pointless polls.

Yarin · 10-12-2009, 05:10 PM

I'm aware of the intended joke, and I don't have a problem with the misquoting part of it either. I was just curios what your opinions where. Actually, I expected more people on the bottom 2 options.

For environments like this, I kind of like Mario's philosophy. But I like Rule 7 too.

**Thantos** · 10-14-2009, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by quzah

If you're that stupid, get off of the planet.

Fixed it for you

ennavakillesal · 10-14-2009, 09:13 AM

how the ........ is this supposed to be funny?

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View Poll Results: Should purposely misquoting someone be prohibited?
Yes; It's an infringment on what people say!	3	18.75%
Yes; but only when the reader wouldn't know better.	3	18.75%
I don't care.	4	25.00%
No; just leave it to the moderaters to remove and edit as they see fit.	4	25.00%
No; the quotee shouldn't care!	2	12.50%
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10-10-2009, 10:37 AM	#1
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10-10-2009, 10:59 AM	#3
MK27 subminimalist Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 3,944	Absolutely. There needs to be an FCC rule. You should phone your congressperson about it: the US Capitol Switchboard numbers are 202-224-3121, 888-818-6641 and 888-355-3588. Actually, it already is grounds for libel. However, your example is a weak one -- even without the "inner feelings" qualification, I am confident I would win my case, vis. this was obviously NOT an attempt to fool anyone. Unfortunately, laserlight has removed the evidence, but I would note that what the post consisted of was this: an actual quote a caption "what the OP really meant" a fake quote obviously mimicing the original quote In this case, the OP was in fact Mario F. No judge on the planet would claim I was trying to mislead anyone. NB. I was not trying to incite or insult anyone either, but I acknowledge it could be interpreted as an "attempt to insight". Kind of a shame about the deletions; some of Mario's cleverest stuff was in there __________________ Accuracy and integrity mean nothing if you don't make it past the censors...PYTHAGORAS Last edited by MK27; 10-10-2009 at 11:02 AM.
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10-11-2009, 01:41 AM	#10
whiteflags Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: United States Posts: 3,202	I'm not sure what the big deal is but I am positive a new rule is not going to fix the problem. Rules aren't something you make up when you have a personal problem with someone else. That's really freaking petty. I want to make a rule about no new rules, though. They're perfect and timeless as they are. __________________ Os iusti meditabitur sapientiam Et lingua eius loquetur indicium "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so." (Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act II scene ii) http://www.myspace.com/whiteflags99
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10-11-2009, 05:06 AM	#11
quzah +++ OK NO CARRIER Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,262	If you're too stupid to tell the difference between the "fake quote" and the real one, then you need to get off of the internet. Anyone here ever been to the WoW forums? Ever see "fixt" posted? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about. If you're that stupid, get off of the internet. Quzah. __________________ Hundreds of thousands of dipshits can't be wrong. Are you up for the suck?
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10-12-2009, 05:10 PM	#13
Yarin Unregistered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 925	I'm aware of the intended joke, and I don't have a problem with the misquoting part of it either. I was just curios what your opinions where. Actually, I expected more people on the bottom 2 options. For environments like this, I kind of like Mario's philosophy. But I like Rule 7 too. __________________ GCC 4.4.0, Code::Blocks 8.02, Fedora 11, x64
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