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  • A new Obj-C programming forum

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  • A new ASM programming forum

    11 33.33%
  • No more new forums please

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    New Programming Forums poll

    This is just a poll. No one has been promised anything, I believe that is up to the mods and/or "webmaster".
    Last edited by MK27; 08-18-2009 at 01:34 PM.

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    Really again? Ugh
    Woop?

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    No, no, no, and as always, no
    No new forums.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    Oh you people are so crabby.

    I vote 'yes'.

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    A long time ago, we had an ASM forum, and it got closed due to lack of interest.

    In the mean time, try
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    It would greatly increase the percentage of topics with no professional advice since many of the active members on this board are more or less specialized to C or C++.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    A long time ago, we had an ASM forum, and it got closed due to lack of interest.
    Now that is hard to believe

    Nothing against ASM (after all, it does the "real" work). It just looks so intensely masochistic. I guess a normal person might say that about "computer programming" in general.
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    Not many people work in assembly any more, but in order to understand all kinds of every day programming techniques average programmer should at least be familiar with it.

    I am not. I never programmed or used assembly for anything, but in lot of programming books I have, authors assume I can read assembly so they present a few listings of assembly code here and there. I bought a book on assembly in hope it would help me learn at least some basics, but there was always something more important so I never even opened it.

    That's why I would at least visit an asm forum at cboard here and there, if for no other reason then because it's only a few clicks away of something I visit regularly. And the books I'm talking about, books that assume some familiarity with assembly?

    Debugging Applications for Microsoft .Net and Microsoft Windows by John Robbins or Microsoft Windows Internals by Mark Russinovich & David Solomon or Writing Secure Code by Michael Howard & David C. LeBlanc or Code Complete by Steve McConnell or Hunting Security Bugs by Tom Gallagher or Rootkits: Subverting the Windows Kernel by Greg Hoglund & Jamie Butler or Exploiting Software: How to Break Code by Greg Hoglund & Gary McGraw, Old New Thing by Raymond Chen and so on and on.
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    An ASM forum makes all sense in the context of advanced C and C++ programming. Being this primarily a C and C++ community, I find it hard to understand how come the potential for low traffic is relevant. In my opinion is totally irrelevant if ASM will have many or few posts.

    That said, ASM questions have been answered on the C++ and C forums successfully in the past. So, in my opinion, the question is not why don't we have an ASM forum, but why should we have one. Again in my opinion, we shouldn't; exactly because of the first sentence on this paragraph.
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    Besides, it's not like you couldn't get away with a lot ASM questions so long as you just throw it into a C program as inline assembly. A dedicated forum is out of context with the theme regardless of how necessary it is for any programmer.

    That said... I haven't checked the programming forums on this site for years, so I have no idea how many Objective-C or ASM questions are asked around here. However, if it's anything less than, say, one per page... I wouldn't really consider a dedicated forum. Historically, in my forum experience, when a visitor sees a forum that has three topics a month, they tend to be reluctant to post anything there regardless of its relevance.
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    No new forums.

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    cboard has the perfect amount of forums. With the exception of Article Discussions / FAQ Board / Programming Book and Product Reviews. With good reason. Those very few topics could be moved to other forums, or the main website (FAQ).
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    I'd like a Java forum, since Java is a lot more closely related to C/C++ than Assembly is.

    I don't see why people are against adding more forums?
    Who cares if there aren't many people using it (in the beginning). You can't expect it to become an instant success overnight. I'm sure when this site started the C & C++ forums probably weren't very active either. You just have to give it time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    I don't see why people are against adding more forums?
    I don't get why people feel it's necessary...

    This website isn't the whole internet, you know... If you want Java discussion then you can visit one of the dozens of Java forums out there that don't have a completely unrelated programming language in it's domain name and banner... Perhaps we should ask eBay if they'd also like to open a Java discussion forum... because, you know... they're a good website and plus... I don't see why not... some people might want to go to eBay and discuss Java code.

    I don't mean to sound condescending... but the issue seems so clear to me that it's hard not to. The top banner says C and C++... the tutorials, the articles, the quizzes, the FAQ... they're all C and C++. Adding Java would absolutely put a demand on webmaster to rewrite many of the tutorials and articles to be geared towards Java, as well. Many of which would create conflict between the paradigms of both languages.

    Now, I recognize the immediate response is going to be "But what about the C# Forum"... well, in my opinion that shouldn't be here, either. However, it was here when I got here and at this point it's a little late to turn back even if the community wanted to. Let's all just accept the fact that this is a C and C++ related programming website and not a general programming website.
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    I believe that is up to the mods and/or "webmaster".
    Just so everyone's aware, it's entirely up to webmaster and/or kermi3 (who are both "administrators"). They might take our/your opinions into consideration, but it's up to them, and as far as I know, no other discussion has yet taken place. I'll make sure webmaster knows about this, but again - it's totally his decision.

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