I need a new Windows platform!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hussain Hani View Post
    because after all cellphones now are not what they were 20 years ago. They are computers
    you mean time machines
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hussain Hani View Post
    :P

    Since English is not my first language, i really do not know how to put it in words!!
    I know that Windows CE has been around for a long time but still it is not competing very well in the world of software.

    People love to program things for microsoft, that's why almost all applications target microsoft. But i do not think that they love to program for Windows CE as much as desktop OS, like 2000 and newer versions (XP, vista, 7).

    What I think is that there should be more and more development for hand-held computers because after all cellphones now are not what they were 20 years ago. They are computers
    I don't understand how you can be so wrong. People do not love to program for Microsoft. They simply target Windows because it dominates 90% of the market. Windows CE does not.
    And cellphones are not computer, the gods forbid they shall ever be; they are handheld devices. Computers are netbooks and laptops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    And cellphones are not computer, the gods forbid they shall ever be; they are handheld devices. Computers are netbooks and laptops.
    I have one in a plexi-glass and metal box on the floor. Does that count too?

    Yet another word for which Elysia has her own personal definition. I was gonna say a computer is anything with a processor in it, but of course the real meaning is derived from the verb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I don't understand how you can be so wrong. People do not love to program for Microsoft. They simply target Windows because it dominates 90% of the market. Windows CE does not.
    And cellphones are not computer, the gods forbid they shall ever be; they are handheld devices. Computers are netbooks and laptops.
    That's why they program for Microsoft!! whether they love it or not

    cellphones is a word that describes a big black and white that is mainly used for calling and messaging

    are you serious ? iPhone is not a computer ? Blackberry is not a computer ? New nokias are not computers ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hussain Hani View Post
    That's why they program for Microsoft!! whether they love it or not
    That's why they program for Windows.

    cellphones is a word that describes a big black and white that is mainly used for calling and messaging
    No, it's not limited to that today...

    are you serious ? iPhone is not a computer ? Blackberry is not a computer ? New nokias are not computers ?
    I would absolutely not call them computers because they cannot do what a "typical" computer do (I'm thinking of PCs and Macs, mostly).
    If there's a better term for it, let's hear it. And iPhone & co are handheld devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia
    And iPhone & co are handheld devices.
    As is my penknife... so perhaps we should call them handheld computing devices... or dare I say handheld computers?
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    Android would be a much a much better platform. Sure google would find a way to make money off it somehow but at least its open source. Anyway, heres a pretty unethical link about the view on the iPhone. Don't read it if you don't like swearing though because this guy does a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I would absolutely not call them computers because they cannot do what a "typical" computer do (I'm thinking of PCs and Macs, mostly).
    What's an example of something you think a "computer" can do that a handheld device cannot theoretically do?

    Your definition of computer seems to be "The two things I'm somewhat familiar with" which seems to be a weak foundation for a definition.
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    It would be hard for me to classify the brain as just a computer yet, though I do not completely disagree. While at the lowest level the data can be expressed in binary (depending on which synapses are charged), the brain operates more on heuristics than specific instructions. That's higher order thinking: Even a task as simple as reading something follows a heuristic first, to determine if in fact a human wrote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    It would be hard for me to classify the brain as just a computer yet, though I do not completely disagree. While at the lowest level the data can be expressed in binary (depending on which synapses are charged), the brain operates more on heuristics than specific instructions.
    It's a shame you missed our discussion of quantum physics last week
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    Quote Originally Posted by brewbuck View Post
    What's an example of something you think a "computer" can do that a handheld device cannot theoretically do?

    Your definition of computer seems to be "The two things I'm somewhat familiar with" which seems to be a weak foundation for a definition.
    A computer, for example, would have a much bigger screen, allowing you to do what is impossible on the hand-helds: browse the web, watch movies (ANY type of video, which is much different from all sorts of media palyers and stuff out there), video encoding, and so much more. It can basically run every Windows/Linux program out there.
    Handheld devices are more appropriate for things that do not require a large screen and/or keyboard and/or mouse. The handheld devices will have its own piece of market, no doubt, because a cell phone is small and light and everyone carries one around. What better to tie certain services to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aparavoid View Post
    Android would be a much a much better platform. Sure google would find a way to make money off it somehow but at least its open source. Anyway, heres a pretty unethical link about the view on the iPhone. Don't read it if you don't like swearing though because this guy does a lot.
    I don't find a relatively new, unproven platform (which again relies on C) to be a better platform. Open source isn't a factor of the quality of an OS.
    And your link, while a good read, has already been posted.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Well, any thing or person that computes is a computer.

    Open source isn't a factor of the quality of an OS.
    I think it certainly is. Positive or negative is a subject of debate, but it most certainly has an impact on the quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I don't find a relatively new, unproven platform (which again relies on C) to be a better platform. Open source isn't a factor of the quality of an OS.
    And your link, while a good read, has already been posted.
    So what if it relies on C? It seems like a good language for the job. It runs Java also, and they will probably get more languages in the future. Thats more than I can say about iPhone if thats what you were comparing it to.

    In my opinion being open source is the most important factor of an OS. I agree that it still doesn't make it good but they always have a better chance of improving than a proprietary one. Sorry about the post. I never saw it on this forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberfish View Post
    I think it certainly is. Positive or negative is a subject of debate, but it most certainly has an impact on the quality.
    hmm... not sure what you are trying to say. But per se Open Source has indeed no effect on the quality of the software. You get bad software the same. And you get good software the same. I hardly will believe anyone who can come up with a study on this matter.
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